tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post2581626003196719946..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: Do male to female transsexuals react differently to erotic material than cisgendered men?Sally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-42510780371920446302012-05-08T07:04:58.015-07:002012-05-08T07:04:58.015-07:00I think there's definitely gonna be some level...I think there's definitely gonna be some level of significant difference. In terms of hormones, transgenders are definitely different from a real female so in that aspect there's already gonna be some difference on the sex drive.biologichttp://www.paligap.cc/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-10822612450700113242012-03-29T19:47:40.692-07:002012-03-29T19:47:40.692-07:00Even transsexuals have different levels of arousal...Even transsexuals have different levels of arousal. Some react more like a man and some react more like a woman. Studying this further will only be for statistical purposes, unless some businesses are planning to get this niche market of transsexuals.hormone therapyhttp://healthqueen.com.au/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-57661958412050891242011-10-08T07:51:22.938-07:002011-10-08T07:51:22.938-07:00@Richard
"Why can't society accept the d...@Richard<br /><br />"Why can't society accept the diversity of human biology/psychology and stop trying to label everything".<br /><br />Amen to that!<br /><br />That's the problem right there. People are afraid of the diversity that is really there, as it makes the world unpredictable and hard to understand. They try to enforce the stereotypes to feel safe, and by doing so, they cause the suffering we now see and feel.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-37372331972118000072011-10-06T15:31:21.197-07:002011-10-06T15:31:21.197-07:00this is alot of reading to do and no amount of res...this is alot of reading to do and no amount of research will get to the truth as there will always be someone that thinks differently so why cant society accept the diversity of human biology/psychology and stop trying to label everything, that said your arguments are well founded but need a short conclusion. everyone is is different no matter whether they identify as one section of the stereotipical society or not. every individual/ the whole human civilisation must recognise this diversity and put asside pre-concieved stereotipical views to be able to evolve as a society otherwise mistrust/segregation/even war will destroy society.Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-1670890963521217862011-10-06T15:30:28.452-07:002011-10-06T15:30:28.452-07:00this is alot of reading to do and no amount of res...this is alot of reading to do and no amount of research will get to the truth as there will always be someone that thinks differently so why cant society accept the diversity of human biology/psychology and stop trying to label everything, that said your arguments are well founded but need a short conclusion. everyone is is different no matter whether they identify as one section of the stereotipical society or not. every individual/ the whole human civilisation must recognise this diversity and put asside pre-concieved stereotipical views to be able to evolve as a society otherwise mistrust/segregation/even war will destroy society.Richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-42667103551214634452011-05-16T11:14:18.710-07:002011-05-16T11:14:18.710-07:00I love the thought given by Krowse. And infact, th...I love the thought given by Krowse. And infact, this is why I was also saying that the non-androphilic transwomen might actually be more feminine than androphilic ones. It must be that because they are more feminine (or less masculine whatever), they are not interested in the man at all but just the behavior or role of the inner female.<br />The androphilic on the other hand, enjoys both her inner female as well as the outer masculine persona because part of her atleast admires some exterior masculinity.<br />I also happened to read that feminine to transgendered males are actually likely to be more attracted to women than men, something that has never been revealed by science and mainstream media.Abhiruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407690477088120293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-54450717310810111872011-05-15T11:54:56.342-07:002011-05-15T11:54:56.342-07:00@Krowse
Yes, I think that is very close to the ma...@Krowse<br /><br />Yes, I think that is very close to the mark!Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-22927112811920866352011-05-13T11:47:50.440-07:002011-05-13T11:47:50.440-07:00Jack,
Bailey rightly said that gynephilic and othe...Jack,<br />Bailey rightly said that gynephilic and other non-homosexual identified transwomen (so called by him as 'autogynephiles')fancied the idea of themselves as a woman given her confessed fantasy that Bailey “would treat her ‘like a lady’—take her out to a nice restaurant and then out dancing”. However, he interpreted things in the wrong way I guess.<br />What he did was that he diagnosed these fantasies of the trans individuals as fetishes or paraphilias (which he called as love of self as a woman).<br />However, it is true that inner femininity of someone will necessarily make him love his inner self as a woman. However, we need more and more cultural inputs to feed this temperament much like we need fuel to power engines.<br />The social images of sexy attractive women making love to men serves as a powerful stimuli to all individuals who are already predisposed towards a feminine temperament. Haven't you heard many heterosexual women reporting that they did not feel feminine at all before they encountered their first date?<br />It happens that in a similar way, tg males begin to have their "innate femininity" powered by several degress when they are exposed to social images of hyper-femininity much like men like to be hypermasculine sometimes when projected with images of some Tom Cruise like macho. <br />Now if the TG male is androphilic, his sexuality and temperaments are in line but the gynephilic is left without a reciprocity in his fantasies because his lover is supposed to be a woman. <br />So he ends up either fantasizing about a dominating woman with dildos (a common theme in TG eroticas),or in extreme cases, his sexuality expresses itself in the form of a fantasy of a faceless man penetrating him!!Krowsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-78529262486187889272011-05-09T13:24:16.060-07:002011-05-09T13:24:16.060-07:00@Rebecca
Thanks for some very interesting comment...@Rebecca<br /><br />Thanks for some very interesting comments.<br /><br />I am working on a separate post on androphilic vs. gynephilic transwomen, and will not make an extensive argument here.<br /><br />Here is the short version:<br /><br />Yes, there is a difference -- on average -- between gynephilic and androphilic transwomen and I am sure this is what the researchers you name have seen in their work. They are probably not lying.<br /><br />However, they are all completely ignoring the social and cultural context of the transwomen we are talking about here. <br /><br />To be born as a gynephilic male bodied person leads to a trajectory that is very different from the one of an androphilic male bodied person.<br /><br />I actually believe that Blanchard and Bailey did not take their argument to its logical conclusion:<br /><br />If androphilic tranwomen transition in order to attract straight men <i>(they</i> say so, I believe it is much more complex than that) , then gynephilic transwomen should be expected to postpone transitioning in order to attract women. <br /><br />After all: if the androphiles are correct in their assumption that straight men like women (that is not a too far fetched idea :), then it is reasonable for the gynephiles to believe that straight women will love men (as opposed to "translesbians"). This is, of course, correct.<br /><br />It therefore makes sense for the gynephiles to suppress all feminine manners and expressions.<br /><br />The androphiles have alternative role models and culture that lets them explore their sexuality, namely the gay male culture. The gynephiles have no such culture. <br /><br />Apart from the obvious difference (the gynephiles are homosexual and the androphiles are heterosexual) the basic cause of the transgender condition man therefore be the same.<br /><br />My good friend Natalie, the sexologist from Thailand, tries to convince me that the "effeminacy" of androphilic transwomen may be inborn (as it is in some -- but not all -- homosexual men), and I am willing to listen. <br /><br />Still, if kids are aware of their gender and sexual orientation at an early age (and there are reasons to believe so is the case) then it also becomes clear that any "effeminate" mannerisms a gynephilic transgirl might have had, will soon be repressed.<br /><br />But there is more: Blanchard and Bailey seem to equal "femininity" with effeminate looks and mannerisms, in spite of the fact that most women, in most cultures, do not display this kind of behavior. <br /><br />Traits like introversion or non-aggressiveness, which are equally stereotypical "feminine" are not taken into consideration, probably because that would undermine the whole theory. Too many of the gynephilic tranwomen identify with such character traits.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-36220165068495875972011-05-07T00:08:26.165-07:002011-05-07T00:08:26.165-07:00Rebecca,
Most gynephilic transwomen are not really...Rebecca,<br />Most gynephilic transwomen are not really dykish (although a few of them are), but just appear so, as they may not really become flamboyant queens after transitioning.Rather, they are just like normal average women.Abhiruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407690477088120293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-4322982340413724342011-05-03T10:49:02.644-07:002011-05-03T10:49:02.644-07:00Many early transitioners do not use the concept of...Many early transitioners do not use the concept of "gender identity" the same way as older gynephilic does, as something being completely decoupled from sexual orientation and outwards gender presentation. Some girls today do not feel a pressing need to completely burn bridges between themselves and gay communities either, like many who transitioned in the 60's or 70's must have done. Some in fact, like myself, even have trouble with the concept of gender identity in itself. I believe that to understand gender identity, one has to take in a broader view in looking at what identity is and means to humans in general. I came to the conclusion that to identify with or as something is something we consciously do based on our perception of ourselves, which in turn reflects and is consequence of our history and experiences, and as to identify being a conscious act it becomes very problematic seeing gender identity as innate. I found it impossible to logically explain gender identity as innate, and in trying I instead ended up with arguments like being born with a gendered soul. Now, being born with a soul is a religious concept. I am uncomfortable with making value judgements on other peoples spiritual beliefs for so many reasons, and many transsexuals do practice a religion. But I'll say this, it is not and should never be regarded as scientific truth.<br /><br />This paper you are referencing is intriguing. I think you may be correct in assuming the auther/s have missunderstod Blanchard concept of autogynephilia. But what really caught my interest is their results differing in an unexpected way against earlier studies made on exclusively androphilic trans women. Gynephilic trans women are virtually non-existent or unheard of in countries in south America and in south east Asia. Don Kulick (1998) in his very thorough anthropological study (it was published as a book) on Brazilian transgenders found them to be visually stimulated by erotica or pornography similar to homosexual men, or straight men for that matter, the object of arousal of course being different. Don Kulick did use interviews and self report, not brain imaging though. Kulicks observations go along with my observations in my community. Personally I enjoy watching gay or hardcore straight porn, and know so many girls that do to.<br /><br />Jack, you also wrote:<br /><br />"The gynephilic transwomen taking part do indeed have a female sexuality, but this one is not based on their sexual orientation, but on the role you play during intercourse. Crossdreamers most often have a receptive and reactive copulation instinct as opposed to a penetrative or mounting one. "<br /><br />I will tell you a "secret". Many girls working as shemale escorts - who predominatly are androphilic, not all, but definitely most - do top their clients. Of course many girls do it because a large part of their clients are “straight” men who are bottoms, and this is why they are paying for sex. Some girls do however admit to taking pleasure from this. It is harder for a girl with a penis to fake being excited than it is for natal females. “Copulation instinct” does not equal gender. And I do not consider those girls to be lesser transsexuals, nor do I believe that a straight dude wanting to be fucked in the ass is proof of his “inner woman”.<br /><br />References<br />http://www.amazon.com/Sissy-Boy-Syndrome-Development-Homosexuality/dp/0300036965/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1304444198&sr=8-1<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_Becomes_Erotic_theory#Exotic_becomes_erotic<br />http://www.amazon.com/Travesti-Brazilian-Transgendered-Prostitutes-Sexuality/dp/0226461009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1304444230&sr=1-1Rebeccahttp://beccahasnourl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-24173786688075324092011-05-03T10:47:55.141-07:002011-05-03T10:47:55.141-07:00Hi Jack!
I'm getting straight to the point, l...Hi Jack!<br /><br />I'm getting straight to the point, lol. You wrote:<br /><br />"For Blanchard & Co sexual orientation is the variable that determines femininity and masculinity. This study shows that it is not."<br /><br />I believe Blanchard's and Baileys's views on androphilic transsexuals stems from Richard Green, infamous for quotes like "plays with Barbie at 5, sleeps with men at 25", and research as "the feminine boys project", which was a rather large research project, spanning several years, studying development of psychosexual identity among genetic boys who had been diagnosed with gender identity disorder in childhood (starting out, Green thought he were studying pre-transsexuality, as it turned out he was in fact studying pre-homosexuality.. and of course we are now also seeing smear campaign against Green based on very little factual evidence on blogs belonging to transbians). Or Bem's "Exotic becomes erotic" theory, also based on research showing childhood gender nonconformity among a majority of gay men and lesbian women. All that this research really shows us is that gender non conformity in early childhood is strongly correlated to homosexuality, with or without non conforming gender presentation in adulthood (possibly but not necessarily biologically deterministic). So, saying that these researchers argue<br />sexual orientation determine masculinity or femininity is over simplifying and trying to understand it backwards . I think this is an important distinction to make.<br /><br />Btw, having been shy or introverted as a kid should not be confused as having been gender atypical, I actually know several lesbian or bi trans women trying to argue this. While this truly is very common in gynephilic trans women, it is definitely not among the androphilic, quite the opposite in personality traits is common actually.<br /><br />For the simple fact that most obviously masculine females and effeminate males do not decide to transition or start changing their primary or secondary sexual characteristics, <b>gynephilic transsexuals are not best understood by comparison to natal females (overlapping between the sexes is probably to great), but to exclusively andorphilic transsexuals</b>, and by doing this researchers have always been able to find major and significant differences. I believe Blanchard tried to make this point in one of his later papers. I do share Blanchard view that transsexualism is a condition with two unrelated etiologies which both can be seen as the extreme end points on two separate scales, and both causing gender dysphoria. One bordering to effeminate homosexuality, the other, heterosexual cross-dressing (if I had a penny for every time I've heard bi or dyke identified transsexuals actually saying stuff like.."for years I thought I was just a transvestite"..). Acknowledging this does not make me into "separatist", but speaking up against the appropriation of early transitioners identities made by the late ones and erasure of history and experiences. Perhaps this is unnecessary since I find most early transitioners are silent or have no interests in this debate.. But there it still is, thorn in my side (something is rotten in the state of Denmark).Rebeccahttp://beccahasnourl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-31064676253273621102011-04-13T00:29:30.950-07:002011-04-13T00:29:30.950-07:00I have come to the conclusion that I have to exclu...I have come to the conclusion that I have to exclude Anonymous AKA basnylons from further discussions on this site. <br /><br />We have already done so over at Crossdream Life, after he started abusing other members. I also believe he was the one being banned from My Husband is an Autogynephiliac last year.<br /><br />I do this with a heavy heart, as I hate censorship and believe we have to be very tolerant if we want to learn more about this unusual condition. <br /><br />Anonymous has made many interesting observations about crossdreaming. I am sure he would continue to be a valuable member of our circle if he had been able to make his case in a civil manner instead of making it personal by attacking others.<br /><br />Some have said that he is a troll planted by our enemies in order to make us look bad and confirm the idea that we are all perverts. Maybe. It seems to me he knows far too much about crossdreaming for that to be the case, however.<br /><br />He himself has argued that all crossdreamers are mentally ill (border line or psychopaths). Maybe he truly is one himself, and that explains his lack of social finesse.<br /><br />Or maybe he is just confused and in pain like the rest of us. He has chosen to show the bigots out there the finger (which may be a healthy approach), and is now unable to stop his anger from wounding his potential friends and allies as well.<br /><br />It does not make much of a difference. Several readers have contacted me and said that they will no longer make comments because of him. I can't have that. <br /><br />Crossdreamers -- and Crossdream Life for that matter -- are for humanizing crossdreaming, making it clear for others and ourselves that we are complete human beings that that deserve as much respect and dignity as the next guy/girl.<br /><br />Anonymous is doing too much damage.<br /><br />For a while I will moderate comments. Don't let that stop you from commenting!Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-32111181401680061332011-04-12T11:03:59.145-07:002011-04-12T11:03:59.145-07:00Anonymous,
It may be that you are mentally ill rig...Anonymous,<br />It may be that you are mentally ill right now because you are disturbed about your issues. That makes you mentally ill due to social reasons rather than being naturally so. And that is what counts.<br />What makes you think that certain people when they react in a certain way on seeing a porn, are mentally ill if their brains don't follow social norms?<br />What makes you think everything is a fetish? What is fetish? Is there any biological explanation for the same that you can provide?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-69004126182368122542011-04-12T00:38:23.043-07:002011-04-12T00:38:23.043-07:00@ basnylons AKA Anonymous
You are really insistin...@ basnylons AKA Anonymous<br /><br />You are really insisting on turning everyone you meet into an enemy are you not? Don't you ever feel the need to be understood, accepted, loved? Well, if you do, you have to clean up your act and start treating friends as friends and not your enemies. <br /><br />This is a blog, that among other things, will look at transgender research, and for many reasons:<br /><br />1. Knowledge about our condition has the potential to set us free.<br /><br />2. Bad science has the power to imprison us.<br /><br />It *is* complicated and my research posts are not for every one, but I am sure an intellectual like yourself will understand them.<br /><br />I set up this blog as a tool for discussing the nature of crossdreaming. If that does not suit you, fine! Make your own blog.<br /><br />You now go for the "to hell with them all, who cares what they think" kind of strategy, which in many ways is admirable, and we all need some of that spirit.<br /><br />But as human beings we also need friendship and love and you do not get that by pissing everybody off. Crossdreamers are especially vulnerable people, for obvious reasons. They need more patience and more respect than most.<br /><br />I have tried giving you that respect, and you give me this crap in return. <br /><br />We need a long term strategy for building a minimum of understanding in our surroundings. <br /><br />I am not naive. I do not think crossdreamers will be accepted in the general population in a long time -- if ever. <br /><br />But we can help each other. We can get acceptance in the transgender community, among health professionals and -- in many cases -- also from family members.<br /><br />You have a choice: You can help us build or you can destroy. If you go for the latter I will kindly ask you to go elsewhere. I am a patient man, but I am sick and tired of this yelling. You are scaring everyone away, and I won't have that!Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-2385015891809184372011-04-11T16:50:11.648-07:002011-04-11T16:50:11.648-07:00Who cares about how the brain of women, FtM or AG...Who cares about how the brain of women, FtM or AG or men or gay or kids works in front of porno ?<br /><br />The problem to solves is = WHAT LIFE DO YOU WANT TO LIVE ?<br /><br />You do you WANT TO BE ? A a happy man ? A happy woman ? A happy transexual ? A happy transgender ? <br /><br />What the brain of others does in front of a sexy pic doesn't count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-33242000546664872832011-04-11T16:40:45.286-07:002011-04-11T16:40:45.286-07:00Jack, stop torturing yourself !!!
I have no coura...Jack, stop torturing yourself !!!<br /><br />I have no courage to read your text because it is too long and the end is always the same = you conclude that AG have a female brain, they have an inner female and are not fetishist of their own body but simply women who can not be women because the society tells them they are men.<br /><br />I am rather an intellectual who likes to ask questions and find replies but you became a nit picker who always repeat the same things in different ways. <br /><br />90% of AG will not read your text because oyt is too complicated, too many hypothesis, too many theories, people are lost !<br /><br />I am not sure that listing all the theories, experiences, on gender, AG and sex will help you. You became mono maniac, obsessed by yourself. You may not notice it ?<br /><br />If you think you are a woman, change your body, live in a woman's role and your depression and troubles will vanish.<br /><br />What do you think YOU are ?<br /><br /> How do you want to live ? <br /><br />Only these questions matters. How the brain of a few people (who can be mentaly ill) reacts changes nothing to these replies and will not allow you to reply.<br /><br />Stop talking. ACT.<br /><br />I understand that talking about your problem helps you to support it. But now it is time to act. To find real replies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-16901818344787056322011-04-11T10:15:41.505-07:002011-04-11T10:15:41.505-07:00Jack,
Then is it true that more men than women are...Jack,<br />Then is it true that more men than women are indeed visually oriented unless feminine? Or is it that more feminine males/transwomen and even natal women just tend to be more romantic or tend to connect sex with romance?<br />Yes, there indeed are a lot of women who have casual sex, but is it because they are really visual or is it more because they are kinda "emotional whores"?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-17040763078206510852011-04-10T23:49:42.008-07:002011-04-10T23:49:42.008-07:00@James
"I never really understood why sex ha...@James<br /><br />"I never really understood why sex has to be related to physical attraction rather than pure romance."<br /><br />I believe the underlying assumption here is that since "autogynephilic" M2F transwomen are men, they need to have a male sexuality, and according to the male stereotypes "he" must therefore be attracted to visual stimuli, and not romance.<br /><br />It is a circular argument: Autogynephiliacs are men, therefore they have a masculine sexuality. Given that they have a masculine sexuality, any autogynephiliac that says otherwise is a lier. Therefore we have proved that all autogynephiliacs are men.<br /><br />This dichotomy is wrong. Women are attracted to visual stimuli and may even prefer casual sex, and men may have a romantic heart.<br /><br />What throws them off is probably the fact that some crossdreamer fantasies are so explicitly sexual in nature, i.e. without romance. There is forced feminization and dominance. <br /><br />There are psychological reasons for this (suppressed sexuality finding ways of expressing itself in a forbidding environment: I was forced, I had no choice). But the truth is that even XX women have forced sex fantasies -- as many as 50% I believe.<br /><br />Most crossdreamer erotica is actually romantic.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-65517017388986133862011-04-10T23:15:30.921-07:002011-04-10T23:15:30.921-07:00Being DEVIANT is rather exciting, fun...
All peop...Being DEVIANT is rather exciting, fun...<br /><br />All people want to feel unique, to break the norms, the rules, the taboos. But few manage to do it because of their are under the control of their parents, or the society = they behave according to what is expected by the group because they want to be accepted by the group. This is the conventional stade of moral conscience.<br /><br /><br />But eventualy most are not happy at all. <br /><br />They play roles and are not really themselves = role of the good kid, good husband, good friend, good worker...<br /><br />The even less developed people are at the pre conventional stade = <br />They follow to death some stupid rules called religion for fear of being punished by an unvisible force.<br /><br />Get rid of these 2 burdens and dare being openly deviant and you would not need a forum to be supported for your sexual fantasies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-2295629929145931362011-04-08T10:47:59.498-07:002011-04-08T10:47:59.498-07:00The fact that sexuality of transwomen and femme ma...The fact that sexuality of transwomen and femme males is similar to those of women sounds a bit related to me. I am not really physically attracted to men, and I am not really attracted to masculinity. However, I always find sex with men arousing because of the affection give-take.<br />I never really understood why sex has to be related to physical attraction rather than pure romance.Jamesnoreply@blogger.com