tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post2670854219330788873..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: Causes of Transgender ConditionsSally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-21603099490073854692012-11-25T15:49:14.979-08:002012-11-25T15:49:14.979-08:00Is it really important to classify autogynephilia/...Is it really important to classify autogynephilia/cross-dressing as having a biological origin? If it has a biological origin them it may be cured with appropriate drugs. For instance physicians could monitor the hormone levels in the fetus and wipe cross-dressing from the face of the earth. <br /><br />What if all this was simply a design of nature from a million years ago. Back in the neolithic days life was tough. There were dangers of nature, humans were hunted by animals, humans were in danger from other humans. To survive humans organized in clans and their leaders were the toughest, dominant, alpha males in the group. These leaders called the shots and they practiced polygamy. They gave their loyal lieutenants were rewarded with valuable property - like wives. Of course this meant that those males who were less competive, less dominant did not get wives. Not to worry, nature designed these males to receive sexual gratification from fetishes and self feminization. Without the human race may not have survived the neolithic age. Jingleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09679273046870809306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-68717900422567169152012-08-18T17:22:00.562-07:002012-08-18T17:22:00.562-07:00@Lindsay.
I must say that the feelings of confusi...@Lindsay.<br /><br />I must say that the feelings of confusion on your part seem quite understandale. Based on what I have read on this blog, everyone except Jack of course is confused about something. In most cases it is their "gender" and why they seem so unhappy. <br /><br />Perhaps if I were to put it to you this way. How would you feel if I came into your home uninvited and proceeded to tell you what to make for dinner and...just how to cook it.<br /><br />Understandably you might protest. You are then told that your behavior is intolerant, bigoted and hateful and that you should be more accepting of those who hold or adhere to different values. <br /><br />You are then told that since you do not accept having strangers come into your home and telling you how and what to cook for dinner that you are free to leave.<br />Is that not what you are doing? <br /><br />Jack, and an ever growing number of extremely vocal "transgenderist" MEN have labeled ALL women who may have been born with and (hopefully have), corrected an extremely rare congenital birth defect, as "trans- women".<br /><br />Don't you get it? Every "T-Gurl" part-time or full-time recreational crossdresser is now "trans"-something. <br /><br />We are NOT "trans" anything. We are women, plain and simple. You all ask, no DEMAND to be accepted as whatever gender you choose to present as per your personal fantasy or mood or level of AGP "anxiety", and yet you, (collectively) will not allow us the courtesy of not labeling us 'trans". You claim that you do but the reality is far, far from that claim and you know that.<br /><br />To be clear. I am not insulted that Lowman/Prince coined a term to separate and distinguish himself from transsexuals, which he considered deluded perverts. What I find offensive is that that term has been turned on its ear by present day activists to INCLUDE that tiny group of people that it was originally designed to specifically exclude: To wit Jack's assertion that, "the term encompass both crossdressers and transsexuals."<br /><br />Also, it seems that you too have fallen into that old trap of inventing false arguments which you project onto those that might protest some of your many factual inaccuracies. An example might be a quote from your most recent...."You seem to have 10 or 20 derogatory terms for us."<br /><br />I defy you to come up with examples to justify even one half of that claim as well as where I, "can't say anything with out insulting us or implying terrible things about us". A. Quiet Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419464386447411790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-51297200176454381022012-08-18T16:04:41.876-07:002012-08-18T16:04:41.876-07:00@AQG
You're really confusing us. What do you ...@AQG<br /><br />You're really confusing us. What do you want us to call you? What should we call ourselves? It seems like what ever we call you, you get insulted. So please tell us. If you want to be called a woman we'll be happy to oblige you.<br /><br />It seems like whenever someone coins a term to separate themselves from transsexuals you get insulted. Prince coins a term so differentiate himself from transsexuals and you're insulted. Jack coins a term to define his type of transgenderism and again you're insulted. You should be happy that these people don't want to be called transsexual and yet it seems to throw you into some kind of rabid frenzy. Do you not consider yourself to be a transsexual? I you're not transsexual what are you even doing here?<br /><br />I think it boils down to that you're afraid that we are going to be mistaken for transsexual and if that happens it will make you look bad. You're afraid that the more men wear dresses the more likely it is that you will be accused of being a man in a dress.<br /><br />You just throw a steady stream of insults at us. You seem to have 10 or 20 derogatory terms for us. You can't say anything with out insulting us or implying terrible things about us. We're happy with being called transgendered and crossdreamer. But constantly degrading us accomplishes nothing.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-3132278599815175552012-08-18T10:22:37.088-07:002012-08-18T10:22:37.088-07:00Good point Jack. Language/ terminology is at the ...Good point Jack. Language/ terminology is at the root of this disagreement. Just like Howard Lowman, (AKA Virgina Charles Prince), you have introduced a new term, (crossdreaming), in your efforts to distinguish YOUR tribe of "Men Who Would Be Queens", from those perverted 'fetishists'.<br /><br />This is pretty much the same trick that Prince pulled off when he coined the term 'transgederist', to set himself and his tribe of heterosexual transvestites, (crossdressers), apart from those 'delusional perverts' who 'mutilated' their genitals in their 'insane' efforts to remedy what they saw as a physically correctable deformity. <br /><br />The only difference that I see between Howard Lowman/Virginia Prince is that he wisely and judicially differentianted and "separated" himself from those poor souls afflicted with transsexualism.<br /><br />What you term "seperatist transwomen" is not only a fruadulent fabrication but just one more highly offensive misgendering of WOMEN who have corrected that physical defect. <br /><br />This is not a question of those men and women who corrected their birth defect "separating" themselves from some political alliance that they were never, EVER, members. Rather it is a resistance to being included in a philosophy of thought that we do not agree with and which is for the most part an anethema to those of us who subscribe to the binary just like 90% of the general population.<br /><br />we are not trying to "redefine" YOUR loosely and ambiguously defined, newly coined term....No. We simply do not want to be defined by it and FORCED to be included in your 'rainbow spectrum' of gender non-conformists.A. Quiet Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419464386447411790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-90854498947397172032012-08-16T23:44:21.498-07:002012-08-16T23:44:21.498-07:00@Artemis
As Lindsay point out, I have included a ...@Artemis<br /><br />As Lindsay point out, I have included a <a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2010/01/transgender-and-transsexual-glossary.html" rel="nofollow">glossary.</a> The glossary often included different interpretations of each concept, as different "tribes" interpret the words differently.<br /><br />The main problem here is that language has become a battle ground. For instance: The term "transgender" is simply an umbrella term for a wide variety of gender challenging conditions. Among health professionals the term encompass both crossdressers and transsexuals.<br /><br />However, since some transsexuals do not want to be associated with crossdressers and some crossdressers fear association with transsexuals, they are trying to redefine the concept. The separatist transwomen try to force a new meaning on the word, defining it as fetishistic crossdressers, while some "separatist" crosdreamers understand it as synonymous with transsexual. <br /><br />This is why it is so hard to make a map that everyone will agree on. Language has become a battle field.<br /><br />As for references and citations, I strive to include such in my blog posts, but I must admit I do not always have the time to do so in the commentaries.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-38630742230977444962012-08-16T18:17:00.323-07:002012-08-16T18:17:00.323-07:00Ther you go again with the self-imposed victimhood...Ther you go again with the self-imposed victimhood. Is that really how intellectually vacuous and shallow you are, accusing me of being evil?<br /><br />ROFLMAO! :-))A. Quiet Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419464386447411790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-21426514417939174102012-08-16T09:12:30.469-07:002012-08-16T09:12:30.469-07:00@a.quiet.voice
I really like your guilt by associ...@a.quiet.voice<br /><br />I really like your guilt by association. I haven't laughted that hard in a while. So, do you think I'm going to become a crossdressing murderer? Or are you saying we all are?<br /><br />Evil can rear it's ugly head head anywhere, I suggest you look in a mirror ;-)<br /><br />Keep up the humorous posts, they really make my day!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-28307058454979958182012-08-15T18:06:43.902-07:002012-08-15T18:06:43.902-07:00Aw geee, Lindsay. Thaannnnx, but NO THANKS.
Why ...Aw geee, Lindsay. Thaannnnx, but NO THANKS.<br /><br />Why would I want to further immerse myself in Mr. Molay's, self-justifying fantasy?<br /><br />I am perfectly capable of understanding such simple concepts as men who get off on wearing women's underwear.<br /><br />It is an odd perversion, harmless for the most part but with the potential for some serious evil.<br /><br />http://www.smh.com.au/world/secret-life-of-crossdressing-killer-colonel-revealed-20101019-16rt2.htmlA. Quiet Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419464386447411790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-66646836038466739542012-08-15T11:22:30.733-07:002012-08-15T11:22:30.733-07:00A. Quiet Voice said...
NOOOOO, Jack. Again you mis...A. Quiet Voice said...<br />NOOOOO, Jack. Again you misquote Benjamin, who never used this totally ambiguous, (define as desired),term.....<br />"transwoman".<br /><br />Jack has a clearly defined glossary of terms. You should use it when you don't understand something technical here. I use it all the time.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-14404826132061675462012-08-15T06:04:43.581-07:002012-08-15T06:04:43.581-07:00I am a "person" who is unsure about how ...I am a "person" who is unsure about how extreme their condition is. However unfortunate or uncomfortable they may be, labels at least identify the problem, and the more distinct the better. I think a large set diagram is needed to clarify what the multitude of labels are and where they fit because it confuses the hell out of me. From the comments on this post I could be all or none of them! If I was confused before, I am bewildered now!<br /><br />I think you should start creating a central document to summarize the discussion. Some of your replies here are really good, but hard to find for the casual crossdream surfer!<br /><br />Also, I wanted to say it's great that Davida and <i>some</i> posts included citations, would appreciate more of this on this site to backup what some people are saying.Artemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00803913622184680046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-53795944671364276162012-08-14T18:51:48.226-07:002012-08-14T18:51:48.226-07:00NOOOOO, Jack. Again you misquote Benjamin, who ne...NOOOOO, Jack. Again you misquote Benjamin, who never used this totally ambiguous, (define as desired),term.....<br />"transwoman".A. Quiet Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419464386447411790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-77965181896982481292012-08-14T08:51:08.781-07:002012-08-14T08:51:08.781-07:00@Jack:
Oh, yes, the e-book is such a good idea! *...@Jack:<br /><br />Oh, yes, the e-book is such a good idea! *.*<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-595858288877005002012-08-13T23:21:21.047-07:002012-08-13T23:21:21.047-07:00@Ariadna
No problem! Neither the blog form or the...@Ariadna<br /><br />No problem! Neither the blog form or the comments are well suited to explaining the complexity of what we are facing here. We all have to simplify and popularize, and when we do, misunderstandings will occur.<br /><br />Maybe we should edit an ebook on crossdreaming, collecting some of the main perspectives in a more coherent manner.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-39900668527322524632012-08-13T09:46:40.321-07:002012-08-13T09:46:40.321-07:00@Jack:
Thanks for your response. I feel I misunde...@Jack:<br /><br />Thanks for your response. I feel I misunderstood you. I apologize. I clearly see now you are in the middle of a battle, being accused by both camps for many things you haven't actually done or said. <br /><br />I see I agree with you more than I thought, but your late focusing on a biological core confused me to the extent of accusing you of "essentialist". I apologize again. <br /><br />Thanks again for your response and I'll be around.<br /><br />Greetings,<br />AriadnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-247427079403549272012-08-13T01:07:12.553-07:002012-08-13T01:07:12.553-07:00"Much like the TG Borg, you insist that every..."Much like the TG Borg, you insist that everyone is a crossdreamer/transgender/autogynophyle, or subscribe und seig heil to your paternalistic mysogyny." <br /><br />I am not saying that all MTF transwomen are crossdreamers or that all MTF crossdreamers are transwomen. I am simply saying there is an overlap. This is also the message of Benjamin.<br /><br />I do not expect everyone to agree with me. That would be boring and unproductive. But I do expect people to take me seriously. Nazi references are not helpful in that respect.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-50180897568034619472012-08-12T13:35:58.748-07:002012-08-12T13:35:58.748-07:00Yes Jack, we get that Benjamin never intented that...Yes Jack, we get that Benjamin never intented that his "Types I-VI" be used as an absolute. <br /><br />Nor did he intended that it be blended and blurred so that those at one end could claim kinship with those at the other.<br /><br />Speaking of 'extremists', that is precisely your position. Much like the TG Borg, you insist that everyone is a crossdreamer/transgender/autogynophyle, or subscribe und seig heil to your paternalistic mysogyny.<br /><br />Guess what Jack. A fetishist is not transgender nor an autogynophile. Neither is a Type V or VI "true transsexual".<br /><br />Your reference to Rose White is just another trans*parent strawman.A. Quiet Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06419464386447411790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-46160887031368368552012-08-12T05:53:52.184-07:002012-08-12T05:53:52.184-07:00I am now, belatedly, going to insist on people log...I am now, belatedly, going to insist on people logging on before making comments. You may still use pen names and pseudonyms, but we need to be able to distinguish between the different commenters.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-75805125254760060612012-08-12T05:52:56.400-07:002012-08-12T05:52:56.400-07:00@AMT
Benjamin repeatedly argued that there are n...@AMT <br /><br />Benjamin repeatedly argued that there are no clear categories:<br /><br />Here is what <a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2010/08/hbs-3-what-harry-benjamin-really-meant.html" rel="nofollow">he said about this:</a><br /><br />""Coming back to the differences between transvestism and transsexualism, another simpler and more unifying concept and a corresponding definition may have to be considered. That is, that transvestites with their more or less pronounced sex and gender indecision may actually all be transsexuals, but in varying degrees of intensity.<br /><br />"A low degree of largely unconscious transsexualism can be appeased through cross-dressing and demands no other therapy for emotional comfort. These are transvestites (Group 1).<br />A medium degree of transsexualism makes greater demands in order to restore or maintain an emotional balance. The identification with the female cannot be satisfied by wearing her clothes alone. Some physical changes, especially breast development, are requirements for easing the emotional tension. Some of these patients waver between transvestitic indulgences and transsexual demands for transformation (Group 2).<br /><br />"For patients of a high degree of transsexualism (the 'true and full-fledged transsexual'), a conversion operation is the all-consuming urge, as mentioned earlier and as a later chapter will show still more fully. Cross-dressing is an insufficient help, as aspirin for a brain tumor headache would be (Group 3)."<br /><br />My point exactly. You and many classic transsexual women are misreading Benjamin because it suits you. Benjamin's types are intended as a map to help us navigate a complex landscape, not as absolute categories intended to sort the wolves from the sheep. <br /><br />By the way: Hirschfeldt did not distinguish between transvestites and transsexuals. He called them all "transvestites".Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-40188789679658483502012-08-12T05:51:34.620-07:002012-08-12T05:51:34.620-07:00@AMT or @Fetishistic Crossdreamer
(I am unable t...@AMT or @Fetishistic Crossdreamer<br /><br /> (I am unable to keep you two apart, and will have to ban anonymous comments from now on.)<br /><br />I am sorry, you have both lost me. <br /><br />I am trying to establish a dialogue here about those crossdreamers and crossdressers that do eventually transition and those that do suffer from gender dysphoria, but you continuously avoid this fact by trying to sort the people living in this zone into one of two distinct categories: Transvestite/crossdresser or transsexual.<br /><br />That does not work, as none of the variables used to distinguish the two are absolute in this "grey area":<br /><br />1. Crossdressing? Of course transsexual women dress as women before transitioning. They are even required to, and i guess most of them "crossdress" from an early age. Hence dressing cannot be used to sort the good from the ugly.<br /><br />2. Looks and mannerisms? Well, this is the indicator used by Blanchard and his lot. To me it is nonsense. Young transsexual women are obviously more feminine and attactive than late transitioners. Old women are in general less feminine than men, and bodies ravaged by testosterone even more so.<br /><br />3. Sexual arousal? Surely not. As I have pointed out, transsexual women are most likely as sexual as any other man or woman. In their fantasies they are bound to imagine themselves as women. Which makes it impossible to distinguish them from "autogynephiliacs".<br /><br />4. Fetishes? I don't believe that crossdreaming is caused by fetishes, but acknowledge that all men and women have their kinks. This also applies to transsexual women. This cannot be used to distinguish between the two groups, either. Read Julia Serano's book for a brilliant analysis of this question.<br /><br />5. Age? Gynephlic transsexual women are more likely to have lived a long life as crossdressers and crossdreamers, probably it is harder for a gynephilic transsexual woman to find love than an androphilic one. This leads to more suppression and more desperate attempts at living as a man. Does this make them perverts? hardly.<br /><br />6. Sexual orientation, as in "real women love men". This would mean that all gynephilic transsexual women are perverts since they like to have sex with women. Needless to say, this also means that all homosexual men and women are perverts. That does not work for me.<br /><br />So, what I am saying is that none of the methods traditionally used to distinguish between pure transvestites and pure transwomen work.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-38167091863810474282012-08-10T17:49:10.925-07:002012-08-10T17:49:10.925-07:00"My 1965 critique, supported by evidence avai..."My 1965 critique, supported by evidence available at that time, argued that human beings were, from birth, predisposed or “biased” to act in certain ways and that their “behavior is a composite of prenatal and postnatal influences with the postnatal factors superimposed on a definite inherent sexuality.” <br /><br />Dr Milton DiamondAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-72887757165513812802012-08-10T14:28:08.146-07:002012-08-10T14:28:08.146-07:00It is not the object of this book to deal in detai...It is not the object of this book to deal in detail with transvestism (TVism) in all its aspects. The object is to deal<br />with transsexualism (TSism) principally. Yet, an extra chapter on TVism with further characterizations will have to<br />be inserted in order to let the picture of transsexualism emerge more clearly. Repetitions will be unavoidable; but<br />the relative unfamiliarity with the subject, even in the medical profession, may make those repetitions<br />permissible, if not desirable.<br />The transsexual (TS) male or female is deeply unhappy as a member of the sex (or gender) to which he or she<br />was assigned by the anatomical structure of the body, particularly the genitals. To avoid misunderstanding: this<br />has nothing to do with hermaphroditism. The transsexual is physically normal (although occasionally<br />underdeveloped) [2]. These persons can somewhat appease their unhappiness by dressing in the clothes of the<br />opposite sex, that is to say, by cross-dressing, and they are, therefore, transvestites too. But while "dressing"<br />would satisfy the true transvestite (who is content with his morphological sex), it is only incidental and not more<br />than a partial or temporary help to the transsexual. True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they<br />want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs,<br />the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed<br />by the surgeon’s knife. This attitude appears to be the chief differential diagnostic point between the two<br />syndromes (sets of symptoms) - that is, those of transvestism and transsexualism.<br /><br />The transvestite usually wants to be left alone. He requests nothing from the medical profession, unless he<br />wants a psychiatrist to try to cure him. The transsexual, however, puts all his faith and future into the hands of<br />the doctor, particularly the surgeon. These patients want to undergo corrective surgery, a so-called "conversion<br />operation," so that their bodies would at least resemble those of the sex to which they feel they belong and to<br />which they ardently want to belong.<br />The desire to change sex has been known to psychologists for a long time. Such patients were rare. Their<br />abnormality has been described in scientific journals in the past in various ways; for instance, as "total sexual<br />inversion," or "sex role inversion." Beyond some attempts with psychotherapy in a (futile) effort to cure them of<br />their strange desires, nothing was or could be done for them medically. Some of them probably languished in<br />mental institutions, some in prisons, and the majority as miserable, unhappy members of the community, unless<br />they committed suicide. Only because of the recent great advances in endocrinology and surgical techniques<br />has the picture changed.[3]<br /><br />http://tgmeds.org.uk/downs/phenomenon.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-49739663488365008232012-08-10T14:27:18.418-07:002012-08-10T14:27:18.418-07:00Many times in the 1920’s, I visited Hirschfeld and...Many times in the 1920’s, I visited Hirschfeld and his Institute. Among other patients, I also saw transvestites<br />who were there, rarely to be treated, but usually, with Hirschfeld’s help, to procure permission from the Berlin<br />Police Department to dress in female attire and so appear in public. In the majority of cases, this permission was<br />granted because these patients had no intention of committing a crime through "masquerading" or<br />"impersonating." "Dressing" was considered beneficial to their mental health.<br />Havelock Ellis proposed the term "eonism" for the same condition, named after the Chevalier d’Eon de<br />Beaumont, a well-known transvestite at the court of Louis XV. In this way, Ellis wanted to bring the term into<br />accord with sadism and masochism, also named after the most famous exponents of the respective deviations,<br />the French Marquis (later Count) Donatien de Sade, and the Austrian writer, Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.<br />Because of the much more permissive fashions among women, and for other reasons, the problem of<br />transvestism almost exclusively concerns men in whom the desire to cross-dress is often combined with other<br />deviations, particularly with fetishism, narcissism, and the desire to be tied up (bondage) or somehow humiliated<br />11 (masochism).<br />Transvestism versus transsexualism<br />Transvestism (TVism) is a rather frequent occurrence, although it would be impossible to say how many<br />transvestites (TVs) there are, for instance, in the United States. From students of the subject (TVs themselves) I<br />have received estimates ranging from ten thousand to one million. Many transvestites are unknown as such,<br />indulging in their hobby in the privacy of their homes, known perhaps only to their closest relatives, sometimes<br />only to their wives. Others are most attracted to going out "dressed" in order to be accepted as women in public<br />by strangers. They may invite discovery and arrest, but this danger is an additional attraction for some of them.<br />Others may live completely as women, their true status sometimes discovered only after death.<br />The majority of transvestites are overtly heterosexual, but many may be latent bisexuals. They "feel" as men and<br />know that they are men, marry, and often raise families. A few of them, however, especially when they are<br />"dressed," can as part of their female role react homosexually to the attentions of an unsuspecting normal man.<br />The transvestite’s marriage is frequently endangered as only relatively few wives can tolerate seeing their<br />husbands in female attire. The average heterosexual woman wants a man for a husband, not someone who<br />looks like a woman; but mutual concessions have often enough preserved such marriages, mostly for the sake<br />of children.<br /><br />con'd....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-33172461626422941972012-08-10T14:25:32.791-07:002012-08-10T14:25:32.791-07:00Rather than fence with you point for point, perhap...Rather than fence with you point for point, perhaps a bit of clarification from the good doctors book, in his own words.<br /><br />I have included a link of the entire text as a simple Google search leads to mostly LGBT/WPATH driven links which do all they can to "spin" the ideas proposed, to fit and/or justify their own agenda.<br /><br />"A general survey with an attempt to define, diagnose, and classify<br />Transvestism (TVism) as a medical diagnosis was probably used for the first time by the German sexologist, Dr.<br />Magnus Hirschfeld, about forty years ago when he published his book, Die Transvestiten.[1] The term is now<br />well known in the sexological literature, indicating the desire of some individuals - men much more often than<br />women - to dress in the clothes of the opposite sex. It is, therefore, also described as "cross-dressing."<br />Most writers on the subject refer to transvestism as a sexual deviation, sometimes as a perversion. It is not<br />necessarily either one. It also can be a result of "gender discomfort" and provide a purely emotional relief and<br />enjoyment without conscious sexual stimulation, this usually occurring only in later life.<br />Hirschfeld and his pupils saw many of these persons in his Institute of Sexual Science in Berlin, Germany. This<br />memorable Institute with its famous and rich museum and its clinic and lecture hall (Haeckel Saal) was<br />destroyed by the Nazis rather early in their march to power (1933). (This destruction occurred soon after the first<br />and only issue of Sexus, an international sexological magazine, was published by Hirschfeld while he was away<br />from Germany.) The Institute’s confidential files were said to have contained too many data on prominent Nazis,<br />former patients of Hirschfeld, to allow the constant threat of discovery to persist.<br /><br />con'd....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-66731960084798820152012-08-10T09:23:36.761-07:002012-08-10T09:23:36.761-07:00Where to start? OK in brief, the disparaging '...Where to start? OK in brief, the disparaging 'arguments' offered by anonymous (paplia?), make no sense to me, as they seemed to be primarily an attack on Jack's concept of "crossdreaming". Hence they shall be summarily dismissed as irrelavent to this comment or at best just a tiresome angry rant.<br /><br />Now Jack's retort is of only slightly more interest in that his 'argument' consist of a hodgepoge of misdirection, misquotes and generally misleading misinterpretation of extreemely limited data.<br /><br />Again I will start with Jack's annoying habit of misusing, or mixing up the terms and concepts presented by Dr. Benjamin in his seminal study, "The Transsexual Phenomenon".<br /><br />MY quote from Benjamin was...<br /><br />"THE TRANSVETITE WITH A LATENT TRANSSEXUAL TREND:<br /><br />The *second* inception of transvestism is not fetishistic but in all probability the result of an inborn or early<br />acquired transsexual trend of "latent" character. (S.O.S. III). Those patients (like true transsexuals), invariably<br />date the beginning of their deviation to earliest childhood. "As long as I can remember, I wanted to be a girl" is a frequent part of their history. [8] While it is quite possible that such statements may merely express the wish that it may be so...."<br /><br />Please note that this quote was taken from Br. Benjamin's discussion of Type II TRANSVESTITES. IE CROSSDRESSERS. Heis drawing the distinction from the Type I TV, which is dresses primarily fr sexual gratification. <br /><br />Br. Benjamin goes on to note that these references to early references to childhood identification, " may merely express the wish that it may be so....". Please note that this claim is "LIKE" or similar to that narrative provided by transsexuals.<br /><br />As to why fetishists so 'aggressively' resist your AGP/crossdreaming/trans construct is that they quite simply are NONE of the above, and resent being labeled or classified by others who have no clue what goes on inside their heads.<br /><br />Just because your CD model works for you does not mean it works for them.<br /><br />I think what you are so ardently trying to explain/describe (crossdreaming), would be described by Benjamin as your Type II or III TV or in the extreme, where SRS is sought, Type IV.<br /><br />AMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-29118769157053914762012-08-10T08:36:21.951-07:002012-08-10T08:36:21.951-07:00@wxhluyp
"Nonsense commonsensical presupposi...@wxhluyp<br /><br />"Nonsense commonsensical presupposition that one inherently identifies with an underlying "sex". What we have in common is that we masturbate over humiliating feminization fantasies, nothing more. And no it is not a the same as a typical female submissive tendency."<br /><br />Your error is using "in common". I'll agree that some people are as you describe. But for a lot of us it isn't a fetish. Never has been. You may be a man who "masturbates over humiliating feminization fantasies" but I'm not and quit saying that I am. Quit treating me as if I'm stupid because I believe in different theories too. And theories are what we're talking about here. There is good evidence that there are hormonal and/or genetic causes too.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.com