tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post4369108917728795007..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: What is feminine and masculine anyway?Sally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-82188272911880801322012-01-27T12:26:39.981-08:002012-01-27T12:26:39.981-08:00Jack,
Also do remember that we lesbian and queer t...Jack,<br />Also do remember that we lesbian and queer transwomen aren't really going to be comfortable in even the lease homophobic cultures, as people simply find us 'weird'.Rohilla Yunusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-21721861121810017662012-01-25T08:14:00.063-08:002012-01-25T08:14:00.063-08:00@Rohilla
Thanks for the article!This was exactly ...@Rohilla<br /><br />Thanks for the article!This was exactly what I was looking for.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-26550943842046376952012-01-21T10:21:58.636-08:002012-01-21T10:21:58.636-08:00@jack
http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&a...@jack<br />http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=lesbian%20transwomen%20in%20iran&source=web&cd=18&ved=0CFQQFjAHOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdash.harvard.edu%2Fbitstream%2Fhandle%2F1%2F4905099%2FNajmabadiPaperFinal2.doc%3Fsequence%3D1&ei=Vf8aT5nALsjH0AHs1-m9Cw&usg=AFQjCNEQwluttx9TEVgZLI-hZWVWknClbg&cad=rja<br /><br />I can only relate to my story. I have been refused sex-changes by my clergy twice in my own mulq, before my family luckily got transferred to western Europe, following which I started making the necessary arrangements.<br />I was denied solely on the grounds that I was a bisexual.I am sexually attracted to men, but emotionally would want a relation only with women and not men.<br />This makes me technically a lesbian post-op if I don't choose to pursue sexual relations with men. And that necessarily meant that I was not following the gender role of female which in turn meant I was a 'man' in their eyes.<br />The fact that I am feminine from the inner depths of my soul does not hold any ground for them.Rohilla Yunusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-88050177261278179222012-01-21T08:01:14.022-08:002012-01-21T08:01:14.022-08:00@Rohilla Yunus
I seem to remember to have read s...@Rohilla Yunus <br /><br />I seem to remember to have read somewhere that one of the leading ayatollahs strongly supported sex change for transsexuals, but that the underlying premise is a strict traditional heterosexual dichotomy between the sexes. In other words: As long as the transwomen accept the traditional gender roles, they are OK. And as you point out: Gynephilic transwomen would not be accepted.<br /><br />Could you say something more about this, and do you have any references to English language articles?Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-83657587060924562742012-01-20T12:13:58.293-08:002012-01-20T12:13:58.293-08:00In Iran here, they accept transsexuals with ease, ...In Iran here, they accept transsexuals with ease, but have a full fledged rage on homosexual men and women. Also,they don't seem to get us as well.<br />They seem to get transsexualism, so long as the trans woman or man is straight exclusively.<br />But a transfemale attracted to females is as half dead as a lesbian woman.Rohilla Yunusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-43437403124903648112010-12-11T07:34:57.666-08:002010-12-11T07:34:57.666-08:00Anonymous,
Anonymous,
It is true hat people of m...Anonymous,<br /><br /><br />Anonymous,<br />It is true hat people of my type are under-reported. But what mainly gets under-reported is the fact that there<br />are a number of individuals calling themselves as "straight" yet having sex with same gender. Whereas a lot of<br />highly feminine males are actually heterosexual rather than gay. Unless these things are reported by science in a<br />more dense fashion, I think our awareness of sexuality and gender is just going to be very narrow.<br />We have already reached a stage in this blog where we can safely say that sexual orientation and gender identity<br />are totally independent factors, something not yet reported or believed by experts in mainstream science.<br />And a science which does not consider this basic aspect is indeed just faking up things to suit popularity.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-11800555352975021572010-12-07T13:43:35.725-08:002010-12-07T13:43:35.725-08:00@ Organism
I don't think I can find the speci...@ Organism<br /><br />I don't think I can find the specific articles, as that conversation was a decade ago, when I was in college and had greater access to pay for use data bases. I will look though for modern equivalents.<br /><br />@ James<br /><br />Yours is not an uncommon experience, but is under reported in studies as they tend to self select for more overtly expressing trans folks.<br /><br />SeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-49973683225077684632010-12-07T09:24:18.189-08:002010-12-07T09:24:18.189-08:00I am not sure that arguing about what makes a typi...I am not sure that arguing about what makes a typical woman or a typical man will resolve this issue of what transgenderism is about. <br />Transgenders feel more like the typical opposite gender. Transgendered individuals (of whatever sexuality) feel trapped in wrong body or atleast secretly wish they were the opposite gender. This is because society calls their inner traits and feelings to be associated more with the opposite sex.<br />Niceness is not really associated with women, aggressive sexuality is not something all or even many men like. <br />From my experience of transgenderism,I often notice that one can be feminine yet tough and aggressive at the same time. I feel that way. Someone might not believe me when I say I feel girly inside, because I am assertive and independent, both of which are manly traits. But,what I tend to like is the feminine outlook rather than the masculine man outlook.I feel I would be happier as a masculine intellectual but pretty woman, but I am certainly not happy as a masculine handsome man because the male body makes me kinda look freaky or ugly than the female body would.<br />But that does not mean I have all womanly traits. I am masculine, yet, my feminine energy is above average which makes me gender fluid and makes me suffer from gender dysphoria.<br />The same goes with sexuality as well. I am bisexual and I have met many other bisexual men. If a bisexual masculine man is passive, he will still see himself as a desirable masculine man and not as a feminine person although he is taking the stereotypical feminine role. He would like his penis to be fondled, or his body hair to be caressed etc.<br />However, the same does not go with me though my sexual orientation is same as that of the masculine bisexual. When I am passive, I like my femininity to be adored. I want to be desirable as a feminine person (or as a woman) and not my masculinity. Even when I am active, I would like to be seen as a feminine person though I am taking the sterotypical manly role at that time. During sex with a woman hence, I sometimes imagine msyelf to be a lesbian rather than a regular guy.<br />Makes a lot of difference really.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-72609765445954021892010-12-04T17:44:29.351-08:002010-12-04T17:44:29.351-08:00I have a Russian friend who preached very much the...<i>I have a Russian friend who preached very much the same thing. We had a long discussion and tried to validate our opinions by through published studies. What we found was where/when the study was done largest factor in who was supported. The old WEIRD issue psych studies often have.</i><br /><br />Sean, could you give me the study? Thanks.3D Face Analysishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07002380940176488169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-62072857125378298732010-12-04T12:22:15.562-08:002010-12-04T12:22:15.562-08:00Powerful athletes lie constantly about their affai...Powerful athletes lie constantly about their affairs, their intentions to stay with a team or city, their finances. These are both physically powerful and rich men, under your system they have no reason to lie and should be examples of some of the most honest men.<br /><br />Financially successful people are some of the most dishonest.<br /><br />You continue to equate ideals of physical power with strength of character. There is no evidence of this, anywhere. The strongest have throughout history been the most corrupt.<br /><br />Niceness is not associated with weakness. The weak scheme and attack whenever they can, striking from behind, stealing, etc. They are often reviled for their lack of niceness and lack of empathy for others.<br /><br />As you say, no sense continuing this in specifics. I understand the template you are drawing from. I have a Russian friend who preached very much the same thing. We had a long discussion and tried to validate our opinions by through published studies. What we found was where/when the study was done largest factor in who was supported. The old WEIRD issue psych studies often have.<br /><br />Good luck, feel free to respond, but I'll drop it now.<br /><br />SeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-63553696870060966142010-12-04T00:43:16.650-08:002010-12-04T00:43:16.650-08:00I don't want to argue the extent of how cultur...I don't want to argue the extent of how culture modifies behavior. That should be discussed under cognitive and evolutionary psychology. <br /><br />Sean, thanks for sharing your opinion. Yes, my list of traits were confusing.<br /><br />Many of my traits were idealistic. For example, dishonest men do exist. But women see honest men as "ideal" for some reason. Perhaps because it takes courage for one to be honest, and only strong and dominant men can afford to be honest. Those are the same men which women are attracted to.<br /><br />Yes, nearly all of my traits were based on the assumption that men are stronger and more powerful than women. It takes strength to be courageous, to be honest about yourself, to have the guts to reject someone, and to be active, and to be decisive.<br /><br />If you're physically weak, then you must be nice to others even if you don't mean it. This is essentially a behavior to protect the weak from being hurt by stronger people. In the animal kingdom, for example, if you're a physically weak male, then you must submit and be "nice" towards the alpha male or else you will be attacked. So niceness is a form of weakness.<br /><br />Only physically strong organisms can get away being dominant towards others. So dominance is a form of strength in the animal kingdom. Contrastingly, submissiveness is a form of weakness. Submissive organisms are "nice" to their masters.<br /><br />Because submissive individuals don't have much resources as dominant individuals, they may have to lie and cheat to their masters in attempt to steal some of their resources. So lying and cheating are strategies practiced submissive individuals in to obtain resources from their master.<br /><br />Actually, "malandragem" helps the weak. Some would argue that the ancient Greek were quite fond of "malandros," in their own way. Odysseus (aka Ulysses) was not really weak, but still was no match for the hideous and one-eyed Polyphemus. <br /><br />So social status is associated with honesty. Social status is also associated with confidence and power. <br /><br />I think confidence is also a indicator that you're strong. Women are attracted to confident men, but only the strong and powerful can get away with being confident. If you are weak or powerless, for example, then being confident may be dangerous because it may make you vulnerable for stronger and more powerful men. So only the strong and powerful men can get away for being confident, so confidence may also be an indicator that you're strong and dominant. <br /><br />Niceness, submissiveness, and passiveness is associated with innocence. The epitome of innocence can be demonstrated by the human infant. Infants smile frequently, thus making them appear more friendly. They have big round eyes, making them look innocent. And they always cry when another insults them, blames them, or accuses them of a wrong.<br /><br />In general, traits generally associated with innocence include:<br /><br />- Large, round eyes<br />- Youthful facial features (including small nose, small cheekbones, lack of a brow ridge, and round face)<br />- Crying in face of danger or the risk of danger<br />- Niceness to others<br />- Conflict avoidance<br /><br />As a general rule, children appear more innocent than adults. Children are smaller, have larger eyes, and cry more than adults. Children are thus more innocent.<br /><br />This rule also applies to men and women. Women, in general, are smaller, have rounder eyes, and have more youthful faces than men. Women are thus more innocent than men.<br /><br />So you're somewhat correct. Nearly all my masculine traits are based on strength and nearly all my feminine traits are based on weakness.3D Face Analysishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07002380940176488169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-51373269401990826822010-12-03T22:29:33.149-08:002010-12-03T22:29:33.149-08:00I would be interested in how Organism explains the...I would be interested in how Organism explains the rise in female violent behavior over the past 30 years here in the US.<br /><br />More specifically, you talk about motivation being different between the sexes. I agree that it is, but I don't think this is inherent, any more so than things like sexual promiscuity was or aggressiveness in initiating a relationship was.<br /><br />You are stating traits that are socially rewarded from an early age. No different than learning culturally significant table manners in more ways than not. If men were socially rewarded from an early age for caring for others would they be so different in desire to parent?<br /><br />You list Honest as a male trait. I can tell you that is not the case anyplace I've lived.<br /><br />Half your traits under men are based on power relationships. If the woman makes the money, is acknowledged as the powerful person in a way that doesn't demean her partner, she will be the one who is Secure, Assertive, Authoritative, Energetic, Decisive, Adventurous.<br /><br />Just saying you list could have been drawn right from a 1950's basic psych book. All the changes we've seen as women are raised entirely under and equal opportunity approach has shown that most of the traits you list under women are a result of being raised in a society hostile to assertive women.<br /><br />SeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-41569938048786790832010-12-03T20:17:41.625-08:002010-12-03T20:17:41.625-08:00I think most of the confusion stems from conflatin...I think most of the confusion stems from conflating gender (masculine, feminine) with sex (male, female). For instance, you wrote about "gender equality" in Scandinavia. There is no law in the world that can make aggressiveness - a masculine trait, equal to passivity - a feminine trait. A law can, however, give both sexes equal legal rights. Another source of confusion comes from conflating specific behaviors with gender traits. For instance, nurturing may be a feminine trait, but pushing a stroller is not the same thing as nurturing. <br /><br />I suppose that masculine and feminine traits are rooted in biology (genes, hormones, etc.) That doesn't mean that there isn't tremendous overlap between men and women with respect to gender traits. It just means that, like you said, in aggregate men will tend to have more masculine tendencies than women. But because there is so much overlap, there will always be some disagreement beyond the obvious about exactly which traits are feminine, which are masculine, which are shared equally by both and which are something else. I guess I'm not a lot of help here because with respect to masculinity and femininity I'm like the judge who, when asked to define pornography, said, "I can't define it but I know it when I see it." But, the first step to sorting it all out, I think, is to not equate gender with sex or specific behaviors even while recognizing that there is a relationship between them. We should think of gender more as a set of traits and tendencies. <br /><br />Of course, we could try to abandon concept of gender altogether and pretend that personality traits are randomly distributed between the sexes. But sooner or later someone is bound to notice that certain traits cluster around men and others around women. We have to get beyond the silliness of saying that just because some women can be dominant all the time and all women can be dominant some of the time that the tendency to be dominant is neither feminine of masculine. Men are still more likely to exhibit that tendency – not that I'm one of them.Li'l Sissy Steviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05248720316011461384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-15568790231606406422010-12-03T20:17:07.154-08:002010-12-03T20:17:07.154-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Li'l Sissy Steviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05248720316011461384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-72047717178384481762010-12-03T19:51:15.804-08:002010-12-03T19:51:15.804-08:00"Men can have a maternal paternal parental in..."Men can have a maternal paternal parental instinct that is as strong as the one found among women, and women can be as good at running companies and countries as men."<br /><br />Just to clear up some potential confusions, I agree with you on this quote.<br /><br />I agree that men can be good parents as women do, and I agree than women can be good executives and men do. <br /><br />There's a study that have shown that women are NOT more skilled at men at reading emotions. Women are just more MOTIVATED to read others emotions than men. <br /><br />http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/everyday-mind-reading/200901/where-is-womens-intuition<br /><br />So men can be good parents just as women. It's just that men don't have much of a preference to care about children as women do. Given a choice, men would prefer more masculine activities such as running a company rather than parenting. But if he has no choice except parenting, then men would do just as well as women do, as mentioned above.<br /><br />I think the same thing happens with women too. Women aren't too motivated to run companies. They find children cuter so they choose to take care of their children more. But if women are forced to run a large company, they will do just as well. They just aren't motivated to make money rather than parent as much as men do.<br /><br />I believe that the sex difference as more based on difference preferences rather than difference abilities. Another example is that men are more violent. It's not because men are immoral, but men care less about morals than women do. I'm not offending the moral men, I'm just speaking in average terms.3D Face Analysishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07002380940176488169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-29408931680553387572010-12-03T19:20:21.260-08:002010-12-03T19:20:21.260-08:00Hi,
I have met plenty of caring women, but it'...Hi,<br /><br />I have met plenty of caring women, but it's probably due to their maternal instinct or their submissive behavior toward people who they find attractive. Women tend to act submissive and "nice" towards men who they like.<br /><br />Some people act nice to others because they are afraid of being disliked by others, so it's not genuine kindness. Weak men are prone to acting nice when they don't mean it because they are afraid of confrontation from stronger people.<br /><br />Also, women are prone to acting "nice" towards others because they fear confrontation more than men. Also, their maternal instinct and submissive towards people who they lust also plays a big part. <br /><br />More women than men are vegetarians because their maternal instinct find little animals "cute" so they don't want to eat them.<br /><br />Here are the traits that I had written down before.<br /><br />Men:<br /><br />Strong<br />Powerful<br />Secure<br />Courageous<br />Assertive<br />Authoritative<br />Dominant<br />Honest<br />Independent<br />Energetic<br />Active<br />Playful<br />Decisive<br />Risk-taking<br />Adventurous<br />Ambitious<br /><br />Women:<br /><br />Weak<br />Non-confrontational<br />Submissive<br />Passive<br />Indecisive<br />Dependent<br />Risk-aversive<br /><br />Biologically, I believe that male crossdreamers are as masculine as "normal" men. Clothing that is tight, restrictive, or protective are associated with weakness. <br /><br />For example, bracelets resemble handcuffs. Knee-high boots are restrictive to the movement of your feet. Heeled shoes retards your ability to walk. The straps on your sandals gives an impression that your feed is "bound" to your shoe. Earrings resemble "ear tags" found in helpless livestock. So those kind of restrictive clothing makes women to seem weak and submissive. Therefore, that's why you are turned on my it.<br /><br />But male-to-female crossdreamers are aroused by those aspects of restrictive clothing NOT because of some biological femininity, but because they find restrictive clothing attractive on women, so they find it attractive on themselves. <br /><br />That was all I was saying in my previous comment.3D Face Analysishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07002380940176488169noreply@blogger.com