tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post5756321381214256708..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: A Frank Discussion of AutogynephiliaSally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-91095652870433607482013-10-19T00:30:01.328-07:002013-10-19T00:30:01.328-07:00A little late to this party, but I'm really on...A little late to this party, but I'm really only just getting caught up as I get up and running on my own little slice of the blogging world. I can sort of understand the "two types" argument, though I don't necessarily agree with it. My own blog leans heavy and hard on the sexual side of my crossdreaming. But, I do plan to talk about the "mundane" now and then because it's there, and it's important. Yes, I get supremely aroused, but there are also plenty of times when crossdreaming is simply an exercise in contentment, not sexual stimulation.Sandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15297440154966439861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-49259237963414121632013-08-23T04:33:34.018-07:002013-08-23T04:33:34.018-07:00The last paragraph in autogynrphiliac's last p...The last paragraph in autogynrphiliac's last post makes no sense: "the overwhelming majority if gender disphoric crossdreamers present themselves as experiencing the very same fantasies as the rest"....wrong.<br /><br />Firstly how do you know this took a poll? I do not have any masochistic tendencies or fantasirs and consider myself to fit an HBS class IV typology so I don't fit onto that so called overwhelming majority.<br /><br />Enjoy your own masochistic fetish but please refrain from speaking for others.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-86201594532557043732013-08-22T16:06:35.063-07:002013-08-22T16:06:35.063-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Senrubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05013695096008598756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-91398866825681423222013-08-22T10:54:17.292-07:002013-08-22T10:54:17.292-07:00@Joanna
"Autogynephiliac tries to paint all ...@Joanna<br /><br />"Autogynephiliac tries to paint all of us as masochistic"<br /><br />Yourself and the "crossdream" discourse tries to paint the fantasies as resembling what is thought to be archetypal sexual fantasies. I see such a representation as failing to address the workings of fantasies apart from superficial appearances. My understand in the sexualization of emasculation anxiety, not only subsumes the logic of the crossdream discourse, but also addresses the workings of the fantasies on a fundamental level.<br /><br />"disphoria is simply rooted in psychology and "how we think" which I know is clearly and plainly wrong"<br /><br />- I previously stated, "The desires and distresses which is often called "dysphoria" is phenomenological, regardless of whether it has any biological underpinnings."<br /><br />"I have no masochistic fantasies to speak of... it is clearly not appicable to everyone. Most pre op transsexuals exeperience eroticsim at the idea of feminization"<br /><br />- I previously stated, "Yet an overwhelming majority of gender dysphoric "crossdreamers" present themselves as experiencing the very same fantasies as the rest. Only, usually differing in terms of how the masochism is presented. For example, as similar to the submissiveness in common female fantasies."theautogynephiliachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825700722338875399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-89409403978147155842013-08-22T05:26:58.574-07:002013-08-22T05:26:58.574-07:00Thanks Jack. Autogynephiliac tries to paint all of...Thanks Jack. Autogynephiliac tries to paint all of us as masochistic and says all disphoria is simply rooted in psychology and "how we think" which I know is clearly and plainly wrong. I have no masochistic fantasies to speak of and my main joy comes out of presenting publicly as a woman and doing normal everyday things. I am much closer to a transsexual than this person is and while his fetish argument works for him, it is clearly not appicable to everyone. Most pre op transsexuals exeperience eroticsim at the idea of feminization but that does not automatically make them masochists and yes I am aware that its really Whyxlup writing...joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-44627597512209916242013-08-21T12:49:22.295-07:002013-08-21T12:49:22.295-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Senrubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05013695096008598756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-17866891276757258512013-08-21T11:26:06.314-07:002013-08-21T11:26:06.314-07:00@Jack
"Like you, I find no convincing proof ...@Jack<br /><br />"Like you, I find no convincing proof of gender dysphoria being purely psychological/lingusitic/semiotic or whatever."<br /><br />- The desires and distresses which is often called "dysphoria" is phenomenological, regardless of whether it has any biological underpinnings. <br /><br />"Like you, I do not think all crossdreamers are masochist"<br /><br />- Sorry but the fantasies really do seem to be fundamentally masochistic.<br /><br />http://theautogynephiliac.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/a-phenomenology-of-arousal-by.html<br /><br />"In fact, in much of TG fiction the transformed protagonist is proactive and strong"<br /><br />- You fail to realise that such themes function in exactly the same way. <br /><br />"The masochistic/submissive streak found in some of the TG literature is caused by the cultural suppression of female sexuality, not the other way around."<br /><br />- Femininity is an additional or non-essential condition of emasculation anxiety.<br /><br />"The masochistic element found in some TG fiction and crossdreamer fantasies support the idea that the crossdreamers share a female sexuality, not that they are perverted men."<br /><br />- That line of argument is dead, give it a rest.<br /><br />The fantasies are constituted as one's association to the anxieties of emasculation, of which femininity is it's supreme object. This very semiotic discloses it's etiology. <br /><br />Being sexually aroused by something does not denote "perversion". So stop the crude manipulation.theautogynephiliachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825700722338875399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-85517064494117215072013-08-21T05:55:53.267-07:002013-08-21T05:55:53.267-07:00@Joanna,
Like you, I do not think all crossdreame...@Joanna,<br /><br />Like you, I do not think all crossdreamers are masochist. <br /><br />My reading of TG fiction, caps and comics tells me that most crossdreamers, transsexual or not transsexual, express the same wide variety of sexual fantasies as most people.<br /><br />I have one crossdreamer friend who writes lesbian love stories with no trace of BDSM. (Lesbians love his books!)<br /><br />In fact, in much of TG fiction the transformed protagonist is proactive and strong, not submissive and weak.<br /><br />The masochistic/submissive streak found in <i>some</i> of the TG literature is caused by the cultural suppression of female sexuality, not the other way around. <br /><br />The MTF crossdreamers are brought up in a society where female sexuality is taboo. To express their own sexuality some therefore make use of the symbolism they were brought up with: The submissive whore. <br /><br />This is found in Serano's story as well.<br /><br />My reading of the fantasies of women born women affirms this understanding. Research shows that more than 50 percent of women have been aroused by rape fantasies. <br /><br />So far women world wide have bought more than 70 million copies of the BDSM "mummy porn" novel <i>Fifty Shades of Grey</i>, a book that is very similar to the BDSM sub-genre of TG fiction.<br /><br />In other words: The masochistic element found in some TG fiction and crossdreamer fantasies support the idea that the crossdreamers share a female sexuality, not that they are perverted men.<br /><br /><br />Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-17211687718528243782013-08-21T05:42:41.818-07:002013-08-21T05:42:41.818-07:00@Joanna,
You say:
"Jack I would also propo...@Joanna,<br /><br />You say: <br /><br />"Jack I would also propose that you refrain from using the term Autogynephilia since through its use it gives implicit credence to the theory by Blanchard."<br /><br />I agree with you here. I never use the term autogynephilia when referring to crossdreaming per se. I only use the term to refer to the theory of Blanchard.<br /><br />This is also the policy of trans activists like Serano and James.<br /><br />The term is included in the headline here for three reasons: (1) Kylee uses the word, and (2) she uses it to discuss the theory. (3) I sometimes include the term, so that crossdreamers searching for "autogynephilia" find this blog, and not the sexist crap written by Blanchard, Bailey and LawrenceJack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-16126503866102289332013-08-21T05:40:39.759-07:002013-08-21T05:40:39.759-07:00@Joanna
Sorry about not following up your comment...@Joanna<br /><br />Sorry about not following up your comments at once.<br /><br />I have given "theautogynephiliac" the benefit of doubt, as I saw him posting in the same discussion as whyxlup over at another blog. <br />¨<br />Whyxlup has been banned from this blog for calling trans women fetishists. <br /><br />I see now from theautogynephiliac's linguistic style and way of arguing that he is most likely whyxlup making yet another attempt at getting followers to his we-are-all-fetishists gospel.<br /><br />I feel no need to go through this discussion for the third or fourth time. Like you, I find no convincing proof of gender dysphoria being purely psychological/lingusitic/semiotic or whatever. <br /><br />We are flesh and blood as well, and sex is definitely a part of our animal nature.<br />Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-90194424893284454072013-08-20T20:24:35.439-07:002013-08-20T20:24:35.439-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Senrubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05013695096008598756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-53856274212903775422013-08-20T14:00:05.309-07:002013-08-20T14:00:05.309-07:00I am afraid that the last sentence confuses me but...I am afraid that the last sentence confuses me but if I interpret what you are trying to say, yes there is an emtional affiliation to your attraction to wanting to be female but that original affiliation was not my idea; it was planted there and is in my opinion almost precognitive. I tried to drown it many many times to no avail but finally succumbed to it being virtually imprinted in me. A connection that early, that profound and, for me, so completely devoid of prepubescent eroticism was not created by me but is likely part of my intrinsic wiring. Where does it come from? I have no clue. But you and I are clearly very different.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-18435536290515957492013-08-20T12:29:14.001-07:002013-08-20T12:29:14.001-07:00@Joanna
A thought is a psychology. Whatever it is...@Joanna<br /><br />A thought is a psychology. Whatever it is about and whatever it does is psychological. Identification of any kind is a psychology. The thought which is connected to sexual arousal is a psychology, and so on. <br /><br />"there are plenty of us who don't have masochistic fantasies."<br /><br />- Yet an overwhelming majority of gender dysphoric "crossdreamers" present themselves as experiencing the very same fantasies as the rest. Only, usually differing in terms of how the masochism is presented. For example, as similar to the submissiveness in common female fantasies.<br /><br />"If this were about simply "thinking the way I do then I would have gotten rid of my disphoria long ago since I never wanted it in the first place so very poor argument I am sorry to say..."<br /><br />- Are you proposing that an emotional psychological affiliation can not have any bearing on one's psychology because it is psychological?theautogynephiliachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825700722338875399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-48740210997269364802013-08-20T12:27:54.364-07:002013-08-20T12:27:54.364-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.theautogynephiliachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825700722338875399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-33283414295264504242013-08-20T08:40:54.836-07:002013-08-20T08:40:54.836-07:00If this were about simply "thinking the way I...If this were about simply "thinking the way I do then I would have gotten rid of my disphoria long ago since I never wanted it in the first place so very poor argument I am sorry to say...joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-43362442394650138792013-08-20T07:34:36.177-07:002013-08-20T07:34:36.177-07:00oh and there are plenty of us who don't have m...oh and there are plenty of us who don't have masochistic fantasies. I am one of those people...joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-76038875175275052362013-08-20T07:31:53.695-07:002013-08-20T07:31:53.695-07:00psychology deals with issues of much broader impac...psychology deals with issues of much broader impact on the general population such as depression, trauma, post traumatic stress disorder, etc.<br /><br />Transsexuality is not a simply rooted in psychology but likely also in biology but we have not yet found the genetic marker.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-34851158551052092272013-08-20T07:27:09.522-07:002013-08-20T07:27:09.522-07:00a "psychology" that only affects a tiny ...a "psychology" that only affects a tiny sub group of the population is not an answer sorry. transsexualism is certainly not explained away that easily and so you have not addressed the essential question. <br /><br />But of course you have for yourself since you only have a fetish which you celebrate.<br /><br />Those of us who are more strongly disphoric and have some commonality with the full blown transsexual are not explained away through "psychology".joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-25740971462493767422013-08-20T04:58:15.551-07:002013-08-20T04:58:15.551-07:00@Joanna
"I dont need you or Blanchard defini...@Joanna<br /><br />"I dont need you or Blanchard defining that for me."<br /><br />- Like you and the crossdream discourse defining the sexual experience as an expression of repressed female identity?<br /><br />"The fact is NO ONE has successfully explained why only a tiny sliver of the male population suffers from gender disphoria."<br /><br />- Rather, in regards to this specific issue, no one has successfully explained why one thinks the way they do, beyond one simply coming to think the way that they do. You continuously fail to understand this.<br /><br />"its both simplistic and idiotic to say that its simply rooted in sexual kink."<br /><br />- All kinds of affiliations or convictions can have root in any possible aspect of one's being or experience. It is fine to propose that an object of sexual stimulation can become a general object of emotional affiliation and longing. In likelihood, this looks to be somewhat of a universal phenomenon.<br /><br />"That would work if it started during or after puberty which for many of us it begins much earlier."<br /><br />- Like my own sexually stimulating masochistic fantasies, which began around 4-6 years of age?<br /><br />"But even if we were to assume its all rooted in sexual preference, that still requires an explanation because that implies a type of paraphilia and an abnormal sexual targeting."<br /><br />- No, it doesn't.<br /><br />"Sexually rooted or not what is it about the brain chemistry of some that causes this to happen? that is where my interest lies and just like with transsexualism we have not found one genetic marker or brain difference that explains why and how this anomaly happens."<br /><br />- Have you heard of a thing called "psychology"?theautogynephiliachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825700722338875399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-88529373912948067152013-08-20T04:33:26.910-07:002013-08-20T04:33:26.910-07:00and for the record, I dont have a "repressed ...and for the record, I dont have a "repressed female identity". I suffer from an abnormality which I term gender confusion or disphoria which based on my personal experience is far more complex and layered than pure sexual kink. I also self identify as an HBS type IV transsexual.<br /><br />I did'nt ask for my condition but I simply deal with it because it has always been my reality and I have come to accept it. <br /><br />The fact that you self identify as a fetishist does not mean everyone else also does unless of course you don't believe there is such a thing as transsexuality.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-15759387118914491412013-08-20T04:22:46.125-07:002013-08-20T04:22:46.125-07:00But even if we were to assume its all rooted in se...But even if we were to assume its all rooted in sexual preference, that still requires an explanation because that implies a type of paraphilia and an abnormal sexual targeting. Sexually rooted or not what is it about the brain chemistry of some that causes this to happen? that is where my interest lies and just like with transsexualism we have not found one genetic marker or brain difference that explains why and how this anomaly happens.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-50182080978825994312013-08-20T03:44:17.609-07:002013-08-20T03:44:17.609-07:00Jack I would also propose that you refrain from us...Jack I would also propose that you refrain from using the term Autogynephilia since through its use it gives implicit credence to the theory by Blanchard. That's his term but if people like autogynephiliac who are just fetishists are happy to adopt it for them that's fine.<br /><br />The fact is NO ONE has successfully explained why only a tiny sliver of the male population suffers from gender disphoria. We don't how it originates and its both simplistic and idiotic to say that its simply rooted in sexual kink. That would work if it started during or after puberty which for many of us it begins much earlier. That connection is as of yet unexplained to my satisfaction as well as to the satisfation of any scientist worth his salt because there is NO scientific evidence for either transsexualism (GID) nor any other form of gender confusion.<br /><br />People can conjecture all day long but it won't make any difference. So in the absence of anything solid peoplem will believe what they want to believe.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-40784269591118353572013-08-20T03:35:45.583-07:002013-08-20T03:35:45.583-07:00just because its a kink for you does not mean it i...just because its a kink for you does not mean it is for everyone else so don't presume to speak for me. You get a big rise out of wearing woment's clothes? good for you but for some of us there is something more there and I dont need you or Blanchard defining that for me. For the record I have weighed transition seriously and not because that's a kink too.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-1416608700238705692013-08-19T16:26:57.758-07:002013-08-19T16:26:57.758-07:00@joanna Santos
"gender disphoria is in of it...@joanna Santos<br /><br />"gender disphoria is in of itself rooted in sexual target error"<br /><br />- That proposition is idiotic.<br /><br />"He desperately wants to believe its a kink"<br /><br />- Because it is.<br /><br />"thinking about things like transition"<br /><br />- The notion of "transition" has no inherent relevance to me, and especially it has no relevance to my specific fantasy niches. <br /><br />"the excessive use of psycho babble"<br /><br />- Like the psychosexual expression of repressed archetypal female identity?theautogynephiliachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825700722338875399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-66485947701513720182013-08-19T14:18:20.736-07:002013-08-19T14:18:20.736-07:00Jack as ususal this thread will become very long b...Jack as ususal this thread will become very long because this person believes that gender disphoria is in of itself rooted in sexual target error and therefore a paraphilia. He desperately wants to believe its a kink because he's afraid to begin thinking about things like transition when he becomee older which is his own political motivation.<br /><br />You'll get nowhere by responding and you will note the excessive use of psycho babble for no good reason.<br /><br />Blnchard's work is very poor science and it is increasingly being recognized as s fail theory. Besides, describing something as target location error does not describe its origin or why only a tiny sliver of the male population is afflicted.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.com