tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post8094288012603034539..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: Finding Yourself Through the Crossdreamer CommunitySally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-34679302590599609902015-09-01T03:34:31.507-07:002015-09-01T03:34:31.507-07:00Thank you Lisa, this is very helpful!
Basically, ...Thank you Lisa, this is very helpful!<br /><br />Basically, what these tweets are telling me is that this is even worse than I imagined. <br /><br />The irony is, however, that that is in itself a good thing, as you point out. I was used to them denying any association with terfs, hiding behind the argument that anyone can misuse scientific research for any purpose. <br /><br />It turns out they are no longer even trying to hide their transphobia. It will be extremely hard for them to get any traction among the more humane majority of researchers and health personell after this.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-36457853645250431912015-08-30T16:34:58.857-07:002015-08-30T16:34:58.857-07:00Here is a series of tweets from James Cantor (CAMH...Here is a series of tweets from James Cantor (CAMH)referring to the extreme trans TERF hate site Gendertrender:<br /><br />James said recently showing his 'Blanchards' credentials:<br />"James Cantor @JamesCantorPhD Jul 4<br />Autogynephile-deniers are the anti-vaxxer's of sexology."<br /><br />Him and Gendertrender (ran by GalusMag), selective retweets, which means he has read through it all.<br />James Cantor @JamesCantorPhD Jul 20<br />1/6 I don't agree w/ everything in GenderTrender, but some comments re my #AGP-denial/vaxxer tweet are gems. https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/who-are-the-anti-vaxxers-of-sexology/#comments … #trans<br /><br />"James Cantor @JamesCantorPhD Jul 20<br />From GallusMag: Hard to imagine Gay Pride based on denial of homosexuality. U would think the trans movement would work to reduce the stigma"<br /><br />He then selectively retweets comments on the Gendertrender thread, like:<br /> James Cantor @JamesCantorPhD Jul 20<br />From Mother3: “autogynephile deniers harm those who feel and embrace their autogynephila.’ pretty important point right there" 4/6<br /><br /> James Cantor @JamesCantorPhD Jul 20<br />From sarineal: “[I]t’s deny, deny, deny all the way and if not, try and discredit anyone that talks about it. Dead right in my opinion.” 2/6<br />But not this part by sarinal....."The use of lupron as puberty blocker for normal children is wrong,"<br /><br /><br />** Now that means he has carefully read Gendertrender. Note his support for the above comments. Note also he never comments negatively on things said there.<br /><br />Bailey:<br />(1) The Truth About Autogynephilia (in the About section) **Trigger Warning** this is a nasty site**** hence no direct link, but you can google it.<br />(2) http://4thwavenow.com/…/exiles-in-their-own-flesh-a-psycho…/<br />Michael Bailey on August 23, 2015 at 3:54 pm said:<br /><br />Eloquent thoughts by an understandably frustrated writer. The current zeitgeist is complex in origins but simple in message: Transition because that is what is right, both psychologically and morally. The truth is more complex, but the most important aspects include:<br /><br />1. In the past children who wanted to be the other sex usually adjusted to being happy in their own, original, skins. That was a good thing, avoiding serious medical intervention.<br />(See: http://www.latimes.com/…/la-oe-vilain-transgender-parents-2…)<br /><br />2. The current zeitgeist favoring early social transition of children (you wanna be a girl? go ahead. Because you’re destined to be a girl….) will lock many kids into transition early. If they’d have been happy without transition, this is a bad thing. And most would.<br /><br />etc....<br /><br />Blanchard tweets:<br /><br />"Ray Blanchard @BlanchardPhD Aug 22<br />A clinician's minority perspective on current treatment of gender-dysphoric patients. https://radfemrepost.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/kathy2/ …"<br /><br />"Blanchard aligning himself with the infamous Breitbart.<br />Ray Blanchard @BlanchardPhD 23 hrs<br />Maybe a new movement - cultural libertarians. http://www.breitbart.com/.../rise-of-the-cultural.../ …<br /><br /><br />Lisa Mullinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05268319043907362365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-2923589507787451492015-08-30T04:13:18.443-07:002015-08-30T04:13:18.443-07:00Lisa your thinking is precisely like mine...ie. ge...Lisa your thinking is precisely like mine...ie. gender identification comes first and the sexuality is a by product of that internal identity. The dilemma for gynephilic dysphorics is that their attractiin to females competes with their internal wish to be female. That juxtaposition causes much confusion and often the wish to eliminate the dysphoria through suppression.<br /><br />The BBL school gets it wrong and reverses things to the sexual draw causes the false gender identity. I am living proof that they are wrong in that it has been the sexual overtones that have been keeping me from transitioning instead of drawing me towards it.<br /><br />We dont have proof if a definitive bioligical marker yet but when its found Blanchard's work will be discredited once and for all.joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-7076574534506364452015-08-30T03:49:15.241-07:002015-08-30T03:49:15.241-07:00Yes, I have also seen that Bailey has been active ...Yes, I have also seen that Bailey has been active on religious sites and even commented on terf blogs. He does repeat the message that autogynephilia is nothing to be ashamed of. The terfs thanks him kindly for his good work and then gives proof to all the world that the autogynephilia theory is perfectly suited for transphobic activism.<br /><br />Here is the link to the document you are referring to.<br /><br />http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF15F45.pdf<br /><br />Do you have links to other instances of this?<br /><br />Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-41477117093101572882015-08-29T20:15:08.762-07:002015-08-29T20:15:08.762-07:00Thanks jack. But I have noticed a new phenomena a...Thanks jack. But I have noticed a new phenomena amonhst the 'Btalchards' as I call them (Blanchrd, Bailey, Zucker, Fregre. Raymond, etc, etc). Supporting anti-trans sites.<br /><br />Now they have always tacitly suported anti-trans hate groups (religious, etc) by never (and I mean never) publically disassociating themselves from such groups quoting and using (and misuing) their ideas cond public comments.<br /><br />In this sense they are the 'enablers' of trans hate groups, feeding them the stuff to attack us.<br /><br />But I have caught Bailey and Cantor commenting at trans hate group sites and quiting from them. Now that is direct support.<br /><br />I fully expect to see more of this as they become ever more marginalised from the trans related medical and psych communties and lose their influence. That they will become ever more openly supportive of extreme goups and organistions.<br /><br />For example here is comments from "Understanding and Responding to the Transgender Movement by the FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL". June 2015.<br /><br />"Referring to medical interventions to block puberty in gender-variant children, Dr. McHugh of Johns Hopkins says bluntly, “This is child abuse.”29 Zucker and Bradley view failure to (reparative therapy) treat children in an effort to prevent a transsexual outcome as “irresponsible.”30 <br /><br />They cite the following benefits of (reparitive)treatment:<br />1. A reduction in social ostracism by peers;<br />2. An opportunity to relieve the psychopathology which has been documented<br />to be associated with GID, both in the child and within the family;<br />3. The prevention of later transsexualism;<br />4. The prevention of homosexuality in adulthood. On this controversial point,<br />Zucker believes treatment is justified for social reasons.31"<br /><br />Now has Zucker come out swinging about the 'prevention of transsexualism and homsexuality' stuff? Big public article how he disagrees with his work being misrepresented?<br /><br />Nope of course not, because he totally agrees with it.Lisa Mullinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05268319043907362365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-20660075637889287502015-08-28T23:09:24.407-07:002015-08-28T23:09:24.407-07:00@Lisa
You sum it all up, quite nicely, and we may...@Lisa<br /><br />You sum it all up, quite nicely, and we may ask: Why on earth did they get away with it? Isn't science supposed to be critical, if not objective?<br /><br />The truth is, of course, that science has been (and is) constantly used to invalidate marginalized groups, i.e. groups who do not fit into the categories of right and proper defined by these scientists. Scientists are human and share many of the same prejudices as the rest of society. <br /><br />There were other scientists (and activists) who pointed out the absurdities in their theorizing, but it did not matter, because by this time they had created their own little playground, with a "peer review" paper controlled by their friends, and allies in the so-called evolutionary biology/psychology community.<br /><br />And I think some of the explanation is found in the fact that Blanchard managed to reframe old stigmatizing categories in a new framework. Transvestic fetishism became autogynephilia. By 1989 the psychoanalysts and the traditional Freudian explanation (child hood castration anxiety) had lost much support. Blanchard gave the fetish argument new lease by arguing that it was not a fetish. But we all know that this did not change the fundamental idea here: That trans women, and trans women in particular, are sexual deviants.<br /><br />Hopefully we will now reach the point where it does not matter what they say, and where we can follow the advice of Felix Conrad: Do not get dragged into discussions on their terms. Present them as the bigots they are.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-6561512941112627702015-08-28T18:36:17.093-07:002015-08-28T18:36:17.093-07:00I knew at 6 years of age, but growing up in a very...I knew at 6 years of age, but growing up in a very hostile era I quickly learned to hide it.<br /><br />Then I hit puberty and sexuality reared its head. Now the proponents of 'autogyenphila' say 'sexuality causes gender variance'<br /><br />To that I respond "excuse me, so given my gender feelings as a child what sexual fantasies did you expect me to have when I grew up? Being a big hairy man in a boiler suit banging a feminine little chick?" <br /><br />Of course not, my sexual fantasies were one of my few safe outlets for my gender feelings at that time.<br /><br />These people get the causation steps reversed to suit their 'sexuality is all' ideology. You read their actual papers and never once did any think that causation might be the other way around...gender first, sexuality second. <br /><br />Amazing how dense they could be when they wanted to be.<br /><br />But they nearly all came from an ideological point of view that states that "any sexual activity (or fantasies) not directly connected with procreative sex is a perversion'. <br /><br />So, for example, oral sex is only valid if used only as an arousal mechanism to facilitate straight penis/vaginal sex. If it is a thing in itself, it is a paraphilia, a misdirected sex drive (that only males can have by the way, according to them, women can NEVER have a misdirected sex drive).<br /><br />And, yes they thought that homosexuality was a perversion too, but they had to clam up about that after the about the 80s, otherwise they would have been kicked out of their jobs.<br /><br />But they could go full on about 'feminine boys' and trans people, especially trans women that they obsessed about, trans men being a sort of inconvenient after thought for them. And so they did for decades.<br /><br />Homosexual transsexuals' (using their language) were just 'failed gay males' that only transitioned to get straight male sexual partners.<br />Heterosexual, bisexual and even asexual transsexuals (again using their terms) were ALL sexual paraphiliacs (poor old asexuals getting lumped in with the 'perverts').<br /><br />So everything was just reduced to misdirected sex.... And if a trans person denyed that then they 'were lying'.... Perfect ideology eh?<br /><br />And the endless denying of reality and scientific data, plus the lies that they told (and still tell) to maintain that ideology. <br />Blanchard even mis-analysed his own data to push this ideology, if you take his data and analyse it you get totally different conclusions (others have done this) from what he claimed.<br /><br />And this is the key to them, they are not scientists, they are ideologues. Who tacitly support trans hate groups and people, some are even now doing it more openly (yes I have the proof).<br /><br />So just ignore AGP and all that crap. Yes sex and sexual fantasises are a part of trans peoples lives, just like cis people, there is nothing wrong or 'misdirected' about it.<br /><br />Lisa Mullinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05268319043907362365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-84239952460668466932015-08-28T14:21:30.209-07:002015-08-28T14:21:30.209-07:00I certainly will check that out Jack thsnk you!I certainly will check that out Jack thsnk you!joanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-8885511762429496042015-08-28T06:28:30.962-07:002015-08-28T06:28:30.962-07:00Joanna, you may want to take a look at the followi...Joanna, you may want to take a look at the following book on American (and European) transgender history.<br /><br />It clearly documents the two strands of research on gender variance: (1) The tradition based on a continuum model, which is tolerant, non-stigmatizing and genuinely helpful (Hirschfeld, Benjamin, Kinsey), and the one based on a strict binary, which is pathologizing and destructive (1960s transvestic fetishism model presented by Freudian psychoanalysts, Blanchard). <br /><br />The fascinating thing is that the same arguments have been presented over and over again for more than 100 years, with no clear long-term effect. This is not so much about facts as it is about fundamental humanistic, empathic, values (or lack thereof).<br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674013794/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0674013794&linkCode=as2&tag=crossdreamers-20&linkId=JI5YLMWWY2IXOT6C" rel="nofollow">How Sex Changed: A History of Transsexuality in the United States,</a></i> by Joanne Meyerowitz;<br /><br />Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-86893075375883656132015-08-28T03:16:12.463-07:002015-08-28T03:16:12.463-07:00I am glad I found this blog years ago jack. I stil...I am glad I found this blog years ago jack. I still consider yours to be among the very best on the Web for treating this issue with the respect it deserves. You have examined whatever science is out there critically and have taken nothing for granted.<br /><br />AGP is definitely an abject failure and an example of trying to fit a theory to a small sample size and then accusing outliers of lying when the responses don't fit the hypothesis. You cannot produce true science via psychoanalysis anyway so it was doomed from the start. That's also what happens when your mentor is a man who studied penile stimulation in sex offenders. Like father like son.<br /><br />Ultimately Benjamin will be proven correct in that there is bioligical predisposition at play but we'll need to wait a little longer for that.<br /><br />Keep doing what you do<br /><br />Joannajoanna Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722222181799879120noreply@blogger.com