tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post834342490636906030..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: What is the difference between fetishistic and non-fetishistic crossdressing? (The ICD and beyond)Sally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-16136605775618214862015-01-11T05:07:42.303-08:002015-01-11T05:07:42.303-08:00@Alix
I am letting your comment through under dou...@Alix<br /><br />I am letting your comment through under doubt. I would appreciate a more polite tone in the future.<br /><br />As for trusting help professionals: The ICD-10 is the manual of the World Health Organization and it is written by professionals. Indeed, this is the very manual that is used by health professionals all over the world <i>right now,</i> and on a daily basis.<br /><br />It is true that the committee preparing the next edition of the ICD, the ICD-11, is of a different opinion. They want to change the term gender identity disorder into gender incongruence and move it out of the section for mental illnesses. Moreover, they want to remove the mention of "transvestism" completely, fetishes and all. <a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2014/05/what-happens-to-crossdressing-and.html" rel="nofollow">I have written about this here.</a> But that does not change the fact that this is the document in use at the moment.<br /><br />You should also take a look at the recent Russian use of these ICD-10 categories. The Russian government has now decided that <a href="http://crossdreamers.tumblr.com/post/107588660351/in-russia-transgender-people-and-fetishists-will" rel="nofollow">transsexuals, crossdressers and crossdreamers will lose their driving licenses,</a> as they are defined as mentally ill in the ICD-10.<br /><br />This is exactly why we should NOT leave the questions of gender variance to unsupervised psychiatrists.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-63076730941499430262015-01-10T06:54:05.243-08:002015-01-10T06:54:05.243-08:00I'm not sure how true this ever was, especiall...I'm not sure how true this ever was, especially coming from a clearly nonmedical person, however, if ever true, this is completely out of date. Gender identify disorder is actually what is managed with hormones if desired and other conditions are met. You should get your information especially regarding nuisances such as this from true professionals with experience in the field versus someone trying to read medical texts like a user manual.Alixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-69315809537352448942014-11-10T12:12:56.395-08:002014-11-10T12:12:56.395-08:00I read a great book which explains in a highly ent...I read a great book which explains in a highly entertaining manner the experience of a man getting aroused by being initially forced to crossdress. It was called Katies Playground Paperback, released 2014 by Marilyn Marshmallows. Got it at Amazon.com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-77086097703117241832012-01-25T07:42:11.574-08:002012-01-25T07:42:11.574-08:00@PaulaMea
There is no doubt that crossdressing of...@PaulaMea<br /><br />There is no doubt that crossdressing often can be highly sexually charged, but does that in itself make it a perversion?<br /><br />That is the question, isn't it?<br /><br />As you will have seen from other posts on this blog, I am inclined to believe that sexual desire is normal, also for women. <br /><br />If a crossdresser has an inner female idenitity of sorts, dressing up as a woman will bring such desires up to the surface. <br /><br />It is definitely more than a classical fetish, as there are crossdreamers -- like me -- who are not crossdressers.<br /><br />As for crossdressing and crossdreaming being normal: It is not "normal" if "normal" means that a majority of people are of this inclination.<br /><br />Still, if that was the definition of healthy normalcy none of us would be normal, as the diversity of humanity is mindboggling.<br /><br />I am not able to retrace this study right now, but one researcher once took all the definitions of sexual perversions and applied them to a random selection of men. He found that the majority of them were perverts in one way or the other.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-21970448821493869012012-01-03T09:58:04.026-08:002012-01-03T09:58:04.026-08:00Once again, it seems that defining Crossdressing t...Once again, it seems that defining Crossdressing through classification is almost impossible (IMHO). For many years I have attempted to analyze and come to logical terms to define why I crossdress and how it effects my sexuality and sexual and non-sexual identity. I have read the texts and theories, the tons of blogs and personal experiences. My conclusion is that there is no black and white… it's all grey (although not drab). However, I've come to realize that my crossdressing is probably a fetish for me than any other definition. <br /><br />I have always experienced a strong sexual charge from temporarily transforming and even the thought of it. When I was younger (teens and twenties) often times I would spontaneously orgasm from just the act of crossdressing. That's powerful juju to say the least. As I matured, the act of dressing and transforming continues to be sexually charged. There is no half way for me when it comes to transforming. Either I go all the way… doing my best to be as convincing and passable as possible or I don't bother. No panties under the suit for me. When I look at my transformed self in the mirror I am amazed at how much I do-not look anything like my everyday male-self. It's definitely an escape of sorts but is it Autogynephilia? <br /><br />I came out to my wife a few yeras ago and am one of the lucky few who's wife turned out to be "into" it. She as always identified as ambiSEXtrious (not specifically bisexual but "sexual", open to being with men and women). When I transform, she says it's like having another lover. When we are sexual with me transformed, it's different for both of us. I'm fantasizing that I am her lesbian lover (lipstick lesbian) and to some degree, she is as well. We try not to analyze it too closely. We don't want to suck the life out of it. <br /><br />I have a friend who's a foot fetishist. His ultimate sexual experience includes women's feet. Another gay friend is into "Bears". Neither of these friends have a need to analyze or classify their desires. Still, sometimes it feels like crossdresing is a pathology… (not a very socially disruptive one), like I'm not normal… then I ask myself "What is normal when it comes to sex and sexuality"?PaulaMeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11325986377676881979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-49114065062939557272011-11-14T13:40:06.781-08:002011-11-14T13:40:06.781-08:00Another great post. Thank you. One thing from ou...Another great post. Thank you. One thing from outside the discussion that might help is the idea of objectification in all of its forms. For decades now the various waves of feminism have tackled this idea with various theories and perpectives. One empirically derived idea is that very often part of women's sexuality is based on a sort of "self-objectification". I.e. masturbatory or sexual arousal is found in part, or entirely, through seeing oneself as the desired, sought, and/or ravaged object of an external, desireable, and often more powerful person/force. An "object of attention", if you will. Women's romance novels are a case in point. The reader identifies with the protagonist and her (or his) increasing entanglement with a socially or physically dominant male (or female). In the eyes of our friendly neighborhood psychiatrists, if this were repackaged as a trans/queer fiction, such identification would likely be classified as an "auto-paraphilia". Males too may be objectified as "others" by women, but there seems to be a much stronger tendency for female sexuality to focus on self-objectification. Some will argue that this is a social creation, with partriarchy particularly to blame, others that it is biological. I wouldn't put my money on one or the other exclusively; I really don't know and I could see it being a bit of both. But going with the patriarchy explanation, in our society women's bodies are sexualized, and considered sexually desireable, unlike men's (at least until recently; it seems that male bodies are increasingly sexualized for women), and unlike the perspective in ancient Greece and Rome. So, why wouldn't _anyone_ male or female, feel more sexy, and thus desireable, when rendering their appearance more feminine-- the modern symbol of sexual meaning? And why wouldn't this sense of desirability not tittilate?VNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-76623883469852111192011-11-13T05:58:10.857-08:002011-11-13T05:58:10.857-08:00@Tulika
"I meant that trans people for whom ...@Tulika<br /><br />"I meant that trans people for whom sexuality and sexuality alone is the cause of femininity getting triggered, rather than there being any other cause are in a minority."<br /><br />All right, I can relate to that. As you might have seen, I suspect that some of those who report that sexuality is their only motivation, may underestimate other reasons for their condition, as well.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-86423058134183604512011-11-10T09:33:56.201-08:002011-11-10T09:33:56.201-08:00"I find it extremely hard to take sex out of ..."I find it extremely hard to take sex out of sex, in the sense that there being transgender people who do not get aroused by the idea of having sex with another human being. They are human! I know asexuality is real and in no way pathologic, but it is rare."<br /><br />No Jack, I did not say that those trans people whose femininity is not triggered by sexuality, are asexual. They may be very sexual, but also feminine in aspects outside the realm of sexuality.<br />I meant that trans people for whom sexuality and sexuality alone is the cause of femininity getting triggered, rather than there being any other cause are in a minority.Tulikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-63108270592150016902011-11-10T06:45:58.594-08:002011-11-10T06:45:58.594-08:00@Tulika
Thanks for some very interesting observat...@Tulika<br /><br />Thanks for some very interesting observations! I think we are on the same page.<br /><br />"...the fact is that<br />sexuality as a trigger for femininity and female internal identity is prevalent in only a <i>minority</i> of transgenders-- the 'effeminate homosexuals' and the 'heterosexual transvestites'."<br /><br />I am not sure this is true, regardless of how you interpret the term 'sexuality'.<br /><br />First of all: If you add up the number of "aroused" crossdressers, crossdreamers and "femme" gay men, that will proably dwarf the number of "non-aroused" transsexuals completely. <br /><br />If you add those that identify as gender queer to the mix, this will probably have become even clearer -- if we have had reliable statistcs, which we don't.<br /><br />Secondly: I find it extremely hard to take sex out of sex, in the sense that there being transgender people who do <i>not</i> get aroused by the idea of having sex with another human being. They are human! I know asexuality is real and in no way pathologic, but it is rare.<br /><br />That does not mean that sexual desire, and sexual desire only, needs to be the main driver for any of them.<br /><br />Most crossdressers will tell you that their longing is for much, much, more -- often the longing to live the full life of a woman (and it seems to me that this is what you and Sarah are saying). That is what they truly want, even when they desperately try to adapt to the life of a man.<br /><br />I believe Julia Serano is on to something when she interprets the cross-gender arousal as a symptom and not the cause. <br /><br />It can be a symptom of an underlying suppressed sex identify, which may express itself in various ways, sexual fantasies being but one of them.<br /><br />As you will have seen from this debate, not all crossdreamers agree with me. Many of them do not experience gender dysphoria, and therefore find it hard to understand that others do.<br /><br />Maybe we all are making this to simple. The very fact that there are crossdressers and transsexuals that seemingly do not feel this kind of desire and those that do, tells me that this cannot be reduced to a simple binary model.<br /><br />@Anonymous<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your story.<br /><br /> I think it shows ys that this is not only <i>not</i> a binary. Crossdreamer desires and behavior changes as the crossdreamers learn to know their own psyche and sexuality.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-33257137120806244352011-11-10T03:27:53.336-08:002011-11-10T03:27:53.336-08:00My case =
A few years ago =
I had a fetish for ny...My case =<br /><br />A few years ago =<br />I had a fetish for nylon stockings as I had to wear them to be able to have sex with myself with a dildo thinking that I was a woman with a man.<br /><br />I had the urge to remove my female clothes after I ejaculated because I felt RIDICULIOUS as soon as I came.<br /><br />I had sex/love with women and was capable to look normal in bed.<br /><br />So I was in the fetishistic group.<br /><br />Now =<br />I still need nylon stockings to be able to have sex.<br /><br />I still like to have sex with myself but also I love sex with men.<br /><br />I no longer need to undress on the spot, I can enjoy staying in the woman's role after sex. Generaly I want sex again 30 minutes later, alone or with a man.<br /><br />I feel more female than before and I now find the sex with woman more difficult to achieve than before and less exciting. I have normal erections though.<br /><br />Note that when a man penetrate my ass I have no erection at all. I can have great pleasure,even some king of orgasm but I am NEVER hard.<br /><br />I can have an erection when I suck a dick while the guy plays with my titts. Titts are my most erogene zone ! I feel very feminine in this position.<br /><br />When I look at a sexy woman, I never think about funking her but about beeing her.<br /><br />So now I am between the fetishist and the gender dysphoric.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-41051483239774862592011-11-09T09:06:46.907-08:002011-11-09T09:06:46.907-08:00"Small wonder transsexuals get confused with ..."Small wonder transsexuals get confused with homosexuals."<br /><br />The source of confusion is just one thing-confusion of male heterosexuality with red-blooded masculinity in the mainstream society and the media and even certain scientific circles. I nowadays think that these circles have some agenda behind promoting this false connection as it is not true.<br />The gay male community itself is the first evidence that masculine male homosexual desire for men is very common-place. Another piece of evidence comes from the hidden MTF crossdreamers, a majority of whom are gynephilic yet transsexual.Tulikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-79245064408532122962011-11-09T08:58:19.345-08:002011-11-09T08:58:19.345-08:00"I concur. But having grown up around a femin..."I concur. But having grown up around a feminine gay brother, I have observed that his masculinity appeared much more natural than mine ever did."<br /><br />I guess it is because your brother is androgynous (as most fem males are) rather than being totally trans. Afterall, it is not all black and white when it comes to the division between masculine and feminine.<br />You wouldn't have even that much masculinity as you are closer to transsexual rather than androgynous.Tulikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-56155726714193749772011-11-08T16:24:58.238-08:002011-11-08T16:24:58.238-08:00Tulika,
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were shar...Tulika,<br /><br />Sorry, I misunderstood what you were sharing. <br /><br />"Blanchard simply claimed that gynephilic transwomen are just AGP men, which I don't believe." <br /><br />I don't either. The "explanation" is similar to the feminist claim that gay post ops are really men who transitioned to "take advantage" of women. Both claims ignore the innate femininity of the transsexual.<br /><br />"I can say with certainty that many effeminate gay males also have a female subconscious image,even if not as much as that of transsexuals."<br /><br />I concur. But having grown up around a feminine gay brother, I have observed that his masculinity appeared much more natural than mine ever did.<br /><br />"...if you are gynpehilic, I would say you are actually 'homosexual'. :P"<br /><br />I guess which side the "activity" is viewed from. To be sure, the idea of a biological male being penetrated looks like homosexuality to the casual observer. This was a cause of great distress for me early on. I knew what it looked like, but I also knew that what I felt about it didn't match. Hindsight being 20/20, I share the following in my first blog post on the subject,<br /><br />"According to "common knowledge", guys who stick things up their butts for pleasure are homosexual. Following that logic, people who do both hetero and homo things are bisexual. As he used to explain it, his "bisexuality" is an extension of his heterosexuality. But in his fantasies he was not playing the part of a male "receiving" another male, e.g. gay. he was playing the part of a female receiving her male lover, e.g. hetero. Paradox again."<br /><br />Small wonder transsexuals get confused with homosexuals. I understand why the separatists get so upset when connected with the rest of the gender variant crowd. As for myself, I prefer to take a more balanced view.<br /><br />Caio!<br />SarahSarah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13018597739320720216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-29564007212333845532011-11-08T10:29:54.959-08:002011-11-08T10:29:54.959-08:00Sarah,
You have misinterpreted what I meant.
Whil...Sarah,<br />You have misinterpreted what I meant. <br />While saying this, I did not at all conform to BBL theory. I did not mean that what Blanchard said was right. Blanchard simply claimed that gynephilic transwomen are just AGP men, which I don't believe. I know that their femininity is as genuine as of those TS who don't have their femininity triggered by sexuality.<br /><br />"Most gay men self identify as men. The effinates, not quite as much, but it's still there."<br /><br />I can say with certainty that many effeminate gay males also have a female subconscious image,even if not as much as that of transsexuals. The ones who are not TG are the masculinegay men and metrosexuals. But certainly not the overly effeminate ones.<br /><br />"I was more concerned with expressing my femininity in what I felt were more meaningful ways. One of these ways involved me taking on a male lover as a woman. Last time I checked, that is one definition of a heterosexual "relationship." <br /><br />Yes it is! But that does not mean being heterosexual in true sense, because, if you are gynpehilic, I would say you are actually 'homosexual'. :PTulikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-10876975040148747572011-11-08T09:10:09.057-08:002011-11-08T09:10:09.057-08:00Tulika,
From what I understand, what you show is ...Tulika,<br /><br />From what I understand, what you show is based on Blanchard's model of AGP. While I believe the media (and most of society for that matter), will agree with it, it's usually because they don't take the effort to examine it closely to see if it withstands close scrutiny. I believe if we are to teach people about us, then we should start with these (mis)perceptions and work outward from them.<br /><br />Most heterosexual transvestites will put on lingere, masturbate, and shamefully remove and hide the "naughties." Then go do something "manly" like rewire the attic. The erotic focus is on the clothing itself. What "inner female" is present in them is largely overshadowed by a strong male psyche. The pattern of purge and relapse is a common story.<br /><br />Effeminate homosexuals are a little tougher. One of the main differences between gay men and trans M2F is internal identity. Most gay men self identify as men. The effinates, not quite as much, but it's still there.<br /><br />That leaves a third group, the transsexual. While I can't speak for the whole group, I can speak to my own experience and feeling. I have a strong female internal identity. As I was growing up I wasn't as much into crossdressing. I was more concerned with expressing my femininity in what I felt were more meaningful ways. One of these ways involved me taking on a male lover as a woman. Last time I checked, that is one definition of a heterosexual "relationship." <br /><br />The forest looks very different as seen from the outside.<br /><br />Caio!<br />SarahSarah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13018597739320720216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-54277625539979881992011-11-07T12:01:42.839-08:002011-11-07T12:01:42.839-08:00Jack Molay,
I believe it is hard to accept this im...Jack Molay,<br />I believe it is hard to accept this important truth but the fact is that<br />sexuality as a trigger for femininity and female internal identity is prevalent in only a minority of transgenders-- the 'effeminate homosexuals' and the 'heterosexual transvestites'.<br />However, the media ends up depicting only these two sexual groups as the representative of full transgender population.<br />And that is where all these confusions and battles in trans-community begins.<br /><br />But comeon, didn't we already know the truth always?Tulikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-2497595235493348822011-11-06T16:27:01.857-08:002011-11-06T16:27:01.857-08:00I think it helps to consider that wearing male clo...I think it helps to consider that wearing male clothes is a statement of gender identity as much as is wearing female clothes (for mtf crossdressers). Male clothes confirm a culturally-imposed gender identity which many of us find oppressive. Crossdressing is relief/defiance. Some might use it as a temporary relief (spiced with the thrill of transgression), before returning to a gender identity with which they feel mostly comfortable, while others may only ever wear men's clothes for the sake of social conformity.<br /><br />The clothes symbolise the characteristics culturally associated with each gender. Some crossdressers can fixate on the clothes, rather than the appeal of female identity more broadly. <br /><br />'Deviancy' is best explained by the oppressive nature of the norm which the deviants partially resist. <br /><br />In fact clothes are a particularly clear example of cultural construction of gender - they are not 'natural'; we put them on.Deborah Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17251775114982350453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-15670034968790615802011-11-06T03:52:08.643-08:002011-11-06T03:52:08.643-08:00@Anonymous
"At the risk of stereotyping, it ...@Anonymous<br /><br />"At the risk of stereotyping, it is more commonly the woman who wants to maintain physical closeness after sex, not the male."<br /><br />I agree, but if the crossdresser is alone, the cuddling part is out anyway. It is not of the crossdreamer is together with a "compatible" female, though. I'll come back to that in an upcoming post.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-46383100742275792592011-11-06T03:50:12.712-08:002011-11-06T03:50:12.712-08:00@Cheryl
"The level of guilt and self disgus...@Cheryl<br /><br /> "The level of guilt and self disgust experienced is usually very high which results in the tearing off of the clothes. "<br /><br />You are right. I should have thought of that. And sex is what really brings out guilt in many parts of our societies.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-24590607848432375862011-11-06T01:06:56.763-07:002011-11-06T01:06:56.763-07:00"The point is, I believe, that this proves th..."The point is, I believe, that this proves that this sense of being a woman is sexual, and sexual only. If they had been truly feminine, they would have kept their female clothes on, also after orgasm.<br />However, as a non-crossdressing crossdreamer I recognize the pattern of fantasy and arousal, followed by orgasm and some kind of exhaustion. That is actually quite common in most male bodied persons, and make no mistake about it: crossdreamers and crossdressers may feel like a woman, but their bodies are male. In my case, however, the longing after being a woman does not subside, even if the sexual arousal does. It is there, always! I suspect this is the case among many crossdressers as well."<br /><br />I think this phenomenon may be similar to what happens to many males in heterosexual sex. Many would be perfectly content to separate from their female sexual partner after sex and retreat into their own space. At the risk of stereotyping, it is more commonly the woman who wants to maintain physical closeness after sex, not the male.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-41028183473522536882011-11-05T21:15:44.254-07:002011-11-05T21:15:44.254-07:00In the rare times that I crossdressed as part of a...In the rare times that I crossdressed as part of a crossdreaming episode, it was more with the idea that this is the clothing that a woman wears. The clothes were part of the episode, the being undressed pre coitus as part of the build up and anticipation. Foreplay and seduction. This was not from a fetishistic standpoint, rather it was an extention of the woman I was surfacing. And there were also times I did the same with male clothing as well. The clothes themselves weren't as important as the role they played in the episode. It was not undressing in disgust.<br /><br />"Women also imagine themselves making love to a man while fantasizing." I know this very well.<br /><br />I would presume that if one were to apply this to the HBSOS, we would find fetishistic crossdressers (F65.1), at type I or II. Dual Role (F64.1), at type III or IV. And transsexuals (F64.0) would cover types IV through VI. I do not as some in the medical community claim, believe any of these to be disorders. They are (somewhat) rare variations in human sexual and emotional makeup. Just because something is uncommon doesn't make it an illness. Remember the common cold IS an illness and is very, ahem, common.<br /><br />My experience with $0.02 thrown in.<br /><br />Caio!<br />SarahSarah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13018597739320720216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-16404349085306318922011-11-05T00:38:18.415-07:002011-11-05T00:38:18.415-07:00"The point is, I believe, that this proves th..."The point is, I believe, that this proves that this sense of being a woman is sexual, and sexual only. If they had been truly feminine, they would have kept their female clothes on, also after orgasm."<br /><br />The tearing off of the clothes is the return to normality from the sexual high. The level of guilt and self disgust experienced is usually very high which results in the tearing off of the clothes. <br /><br />Once the clothes are removed the dreamer can then deny what has happened. Depending how badly AGP has advanced the dreamer may have exorcised the feminine feelings and they may go to the back of the mind for a period. The 'break period' gets less and less with the advance of age. However the dreamer can't keep the thoughts at bay during day to day life even during the guilt break periods.Cheryl Sussexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02512809610979507630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-55784842156571544282011-11-04T10:57:48.747-07:002011-11-04T10:57:48.747-07:00"Do crossdreamers primarily get aroused by (1..."Do crossdreamers primarily get aroused by (1) the idea of being a woman or having a woman's body or do they get aroused by (2) the idea of having sex as a woman?"<br /><br />-Almost neither. Both instances are simply powerful symbolic associates of a wider subjection to femininity. It cannot be ignored that this femininity is a social-masochistic subjection to self-image, rather than a femininity that is expressed for its own sake. <br /><br />"In fact, there are male to female crossdreamers who are proud of the fact that they no longer get an erection, as they fel that this makes them more like women. They are still turned on, though. Maybe some crossdressers are not consciously aware of this kind of excitement."<br /><br />-I feel this is a massive self-fulfilling element in the crossdream community. A sexual(fetishtic) longing does not necessarily mean you are explicitly aroused of are erect. It is false to think that the average guy longing for tits must be erect. Correlatives with arousal are not isolated with associations in general. <br /><br />"Women love having sex as a woman"<br /><br />-The idea of oneself (letalone as a biological gender) is not a necessary for an erotic instance.<br /><br />"The fact that at least some of these men seem to be wired for sex as a woman"<br /><br />-Rather many people prefer the idea of having sex in feminine ways<br /><br />Crossdressing for me (as a crossdreamer) is simply a "more" elaborate crossdream narrative, which correlates ones physical body in the narrative. Another way of correlating ones physical body to the narrative is to walk femininely or to perform feminine sexual acts etc.wxhluyphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17997134183477787458noreply@blogger.com