tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post8986732191220132349..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: On crossdreaming and autogynephilia as a fetishSally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-8137734667430206052017-11-07T05:38:13.556-08:002017-11-07T05:38:13.556-08:00//How do nonbinary people fit into this discussion...//How do nonbinary people fit into this discussion?//<br /><br />I cannot recall any direct references to non-binary identities in the "autogynephilia" litterature. <br /><br />The basis for Ray Blanchard's view of the world is extremely binary, both as regards sex and gender. This also applies to sexual orientation, as bisexual trans women are dismissed as "pseudo-bisexual".<br /><br />I guess "fetish researchers" are aware of there being variations in to what extent trans people identify with their target sex, but I doubt that they think of this as being "non-binary".<br /><br />Modern sexologists and researchers of transgender lives are, however, very much aware of non-binary people. Most researchers these days think of both gender identity and sexual orientation as continuums, which leaves room for non-binary and gender fluid people.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-59153343432103278332017-11-06T18:38:30.453-08:002017-11-06T18:38:30.453-08:00How do nonbinary people fit into this discussion?How do nonbinary people fit into this discussion?Ettinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12391427859178500937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-3949919409858690102014-03-10T02:12:32.147-07:002014-03-10T02:12:32.147-07:00@Anonymous
Your Cowgirl story looks suspiciously ...@Anonymous<br /><br />Your Cowgirl story looks suspiciously much like a text book pseudo-Freudian explanation of a transvestic fetish to me. In other words: I suspect this is something you have made up in order to smear crossdreamers and crossdressers. Still, I will treat it as a real story, anyway, on the off chance that you are telling the truth:<br /><br />The finding out that your mum does not have a penis trauma is central to the Freudian approach to crossdreaming. The young boy gets castration anxiety seeing the penis-less mother and decides to rectify the situation by becoming a woman with a penis. The childhood erection is supposed to be proof of this.<br /><br />Here's the problem: Most boys realize that their mum has no penis, and only a tiny minority becomes crossdreamers. If this was such a big deal, they all would have started crossdressing. In other words: There must be something else, beyond the castration anxiety, that turns a boy into a crossdreamer.<br /><br />Here is another one: Freud's approach requires crossdreaming to be a male phenomena. There is no room for female to male crossdreamers. However, there are a lot of FTM crossdreamers and crossdressers who get aroused by imagening themselves as men with a penis. <br /><br />Is that yet another example of castration anxiety? Hm, well, if that is the case, all women would be crossdressers, because according to this theory all women have been castrated. If anyone should feel the burden of castration it is women, as they have no penis. But again: Only a minority of women become crossdreamers.<br /><br />As for the erection: I am the godfather of a young boy. After riding the carousel at the tender age of six he enthusiastically told my girl friend that this was so much fun that it made his willy tingle. Maybe he has developed a fetish for fun fairs, or maybe kids get sexually aroused by a lot of funny things that has nothing to do with paraphilias.<br /><br />The fact is that your story fits the transsexual narrative just as well as the Freudian fetish one. Young girls get aroused by being perceived as pretty girls. Watch them squirm in their chairs as they flirt uninhibited with the boys and men around them. Why should transsexual girls be any different?Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-72200407821024112022014-03-08T09:00:22.243-08:002014-03-08T09:00:22.243-08:00I'm not sure this will help, but my personal e...I'm not sure this will help, but my personal experience started very early. I remember seeing my parents naked. I was so young I couldn't remember which one of them had the penis. Was it my mom or my dad? A couple of days later I saw them again and realized my dad had the penis. I wasn't shocked or traumatised from seeing it but I was curious about putting on girls clothes. How come they got to wear them and I didn't? It wasn't fair. My sister had a Cowgirl outfit. I went to my mom and told her don't come in the room. I went into my sisters room closed the door and put on my sisters outfit. I got a huge erection (the first time I was ever conscious of having one). I didn't want anyone to see me dressed like that and since I was too small to reach the lock on the door I leaned against it. Well, as you've probably guessed, my mother came and pushed the door open and said "Oh look at the Cowgirl!" I wasn't ashamed about crossdressing I just knew that boys shouldn't do it. From that moment on I was jealous of my sister. When ever she and her friends played dress-up I wanted to play. I wanted to wear the beautiful clothes and spin and twirl in the skirts and slips like them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-31460748170018090502012-02-26T17:50:28.289-08:002012-02-26T17:50:28.289-08:00autogynephilia is becoming a philosophy for the br...autogynephilia is becoming a philosophy for the brave and independent women. It takes their self esteem and confidence to new heights when dealing with the intimate.generica cialishttp://www.generic-pharmacy.net/generic-cialis.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-78834970623544270812010-12-07T02:07:03.292-08:002010-12-07T02:07:03.292-08:00Anonymous, are you aroused by footless stockings? ...Anonymous, are you aroused by footless stockings? If so, how does this arousal compared with footed stockings?<br /><br />For me, I'm not aroused by either footless pantyhose or footless stockings. Women's feet are very arousing, and any article of clothing which binds or tightly covers the feet heightens my arousal.3D Face Analysishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07002380940176488169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-8912908565660600192010-12-06T03:25:17.062-08:002010-12-06T03:25:17.062-08:00I am like anonymous :
I like to have the female r...I am like anonymous :<br /><br />I like to have the female role in bed. <br /><br />I also absolutetly need to wear nylon stockings, see my legs and feet to be able to have sex with a man.<br /><br />After I masturbate, I don't want to be a woman anymore. <br /><br />In the past I was putting off my clothes but now I can stay dressed for a while with no urge to go back in the male role.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-37673970767724771092010-12-03T22:02:08.445-08:002010-12-03T22:02:08.445-08:00Robyn
Blanchard said all transsexual identity (AG...Robyn<br /><br />Blanchard said all transsexual identity (AGP or otherwise) is based on an expression of sexual attraction. Bailey went so far as to claim there is no such thing a feminine identity, just specific behaviors. In their philosophy you can not have a discussion of 'just sex' or 'just transsexual identity.'<br /><br />SeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-32313429586751396262010-11-30T14:11:05.722-08:002010-11-30T14:11:05.722-08:00Ok here’s my latest theory
I’m starting to think t...Ok here’s my latest theory<br />I’m starting to think that at least my, what I’ve been calling AGP is not inborn. Like jack I was also shy and non aggressive as a kid and still have those feelings. I also had thoughts of turning into a girl during arousal since I was about 10. And I think I’ve been confused about my feelings in general my whole life. The issue was feeling like a woman so I looked at my feelings. I think my logic was ‘guys aren’t meant to have feelings, not quirky pulling in feelings like this, so these feelings must be feminine, I must be behaving/feeling like a girl, girl mmm... arousing. I think the fault is assuming that my feelings are owned by the female gender when in fact I’m evidence and I know a couple of guys like me that it’s not exclusively owned by them. The type of feelings I have pull inwards and if someone angers me (as long as they don’t go too far) they don’t see it. It goes in. If I look to male artists I see some with the same traits.<br />So the basis of the theory is I believe that your personality is inborn but my ‘behaving like a girl all the time’ is an incorrect association that feeds itself. I’m trying to legitimize personality here.<br />On attraction<br />I like the distinction I’ve seen others use of physical and sexual attraction.<br />Because most cross dreamers seem to be physically attracted to woman. aka straight<br />But I’m thinking sexual attraction doesn’t care for gender it goes off on anybody perceived to take the dominant role. I’ve read that it’s normal for most heterosexual men to have occasional same se attraction. But when you are on the passive side of the spectrum I can see why you sexual attraction may go off more often on men than women. But I still think that it’s these few woman that it does go of on who are a bit insecure about there femineity for they like a bit of the top. I’ve had a few of these girls approach me with curiosity as if I lowered their anxiety or something.<br />Still working on it, but that’s where I’m at. Cross dreaming as not a philia.<br /><br />ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-2800169072863388282010-11-28T03:35:08.520-08:002010-11-28T03:35:08.520-08:00Robyn,
"Should a man be able to change his bo...Robyn,<br />"Should a man be able to change his body in order to fulfill his sexual fantasy?"<br /><br />The reduction of AGP to a sexual fetish undermines the innate femininity of the male concerned. It does not highlight the inner gender essence of the male which leads to the sexual fantasies in first place. Hence, if the fantasies are strong enough for a person to desire transition, it reflects the person indeed is strongly TG. In such cases, it even becomes invalid to call this male as a "man".Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-37569658780954577592010-11-27T13:39:27.851-08:002010-11-27T13:39:27.851-08:00Sean, Blanchard defines autogynephilia as sexual a...Sean, Blanchard defines autogynephilia as sexual arousal at the thought of having a woman's anatomy... All we are talking about here is <i>sex</i>. This is not about the transsexual identity. <br /><br />James, you mention that science doesn't look at the "inner feminine essence" but only the outward expressions of it. This is because we all have zillions of dreams and fantasies, some of them sexual, but only a few are ever actualized.<br /><br />I think the issue that Blanchard is trying to bring forward is that there are men who fantasize sexually about having a woman's body and that this "dream" is so strong, so powerful, that some of these men are doing whatever they need to do to make their fantasy a reality. This is different than a transsexual who changes their body in order for it to align with their identity. <br /><br />Jack seems to blur the lines between AGP and TS by stating that AGPs dream of having a woman's body in contrast to TSs who hate their male body. The distinction is blurred even more by stating that there is more to his "condition" than the sexual fantasies. <br /><br />For some reason, many CD/TG/TS people hate the linkage of anything sexual to who they are or what they do. Crossdressing was considered a fetish and only a fetish for many, many years. One of the reasons why autogynephilia has been so controversial is because it drags back into the discussion the idea that there just might be a sexual purpose for transsexualism. <br /><br />There are probably some ethical concerns for doctors about providing gender reassignment for autogynephiliacs. Should a man be able to change his body in order to fulfill his sexual fantasy? <br /><br />There may also be issues if a man is in a relationship and his only means of sexual arousal is autogynephilia. This has been discussed here earlier. <br /><br />Our sexual dreams, fantasies, and fetishes only become issues when we cannot control them but they control us and escape out of our brain and our skin...Robyn Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655968146251274730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-6404286297945984882010-11-26T12:34:20.454-08:002010-11-26T12:34:20.454-08:00Christy,
Actually the very people who are born wit...Christy,<br />Actually the very people who are born with the "chimera" you describe are what we call as third gender or the transgender.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-75723850043331218062010-11-25T16:27:47.533-08:002010-11-25T16:27:47.533-08:00I know in my case, my crossdreaming is completely ...I know in my case, my crossdreaming is completely sexual in nature. When I'm aroused is when I most want to have a woman's body...and once I climax, the urge for that goes away nearly completely.<br /><br />I have a bit of a crossdressing fetish as well, but interestingly enough, only for things like ballgowns. I have no desire to wear panties or bras though. But corsets? Yes. Long satin gloves? Yes. A hoopskirt? Yes.<br /><br />Second Life has become a great outlet for this...you really are just treated as what you look like. If you want to act and look like a slut, you can do so. It's very addictive in that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-8441533322287505252010-11-24T10:27:39.423-08:002010-11-24T10:27:39.423-08:00I should also add:
While the traditional view has...I should also add:<br /><br />While the traditional view has been that Chimeras of all kinds are extremely rare, new evidence suggests that chimeras -- especially brain chimeras -- are far more common than previously thought perhaps upwards of 1 in 8 pregnancies.<br /><br />While your "classic" chimera can be detected with tissue sampling or blood tests. Brain chimeras can only be detected by via autopsy because you have to dissect the brain.Bitterness Barbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080082175885943270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-8021540719638381452010-11-24T10:03:08.093-08:002010-11-24T10:03:08.093-08:00whups my comment was directed to James...sorrywhups my comment was directed to James...sorryBitterness Barbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080082175885943270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-20853141224788637402010-11-24T10:02:30.754-08:002010-11-24T10:02:30.754-08:00Jack
The hypothalamus–pituitary–gonad (HPG) axis ...Jack<br /><br />The hypothalamus–pituitary–gonad (HPG) axis coordinates displays of sexual behavior with reproductive physiology. Sexual brain development therefore defines the ability of brain areas,including the neural part of the HPG axis, to respond to particular physiological signals in adulthood.<br /><br />I think what crossdressers, transsexuals and AGPs have in common is a "hybrid" HPG axis formed by the merging of brain primordia from a male & female embryo in the womb during the first 8 weeks of pregnancy. <br /><br />This is known to embryologists as a spontaneous human chimera or brain chimera. While we do not know for certain what the consequences of such merging is for humans, we do know that brain chimeras in other species such as a Japanese Quails -- whose fore-brains are female and physiology wholly male -- do not exhibit typical male behaviors (such as crowing). <br /><br />I personally believe at least two of the types expression in humans are homosexuality or gender confusion. <br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC164695/pdf/1007959.pdf<br /><br />http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/579Bitterness Barbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080082175885943270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-46212352515383857742010-11-24T07:38:06.990-08:002010-11-24T07:38:06.990-08:00Robyn,
On the contrary I feel feminine males, cros...Robyn,<br />On the contrary I feel feminine males, crossdressers,transsexuals and also AGPs are all related in more ways than one. All of these males had some gender issues in childhood, including but not limited to avoidance of rough and tumble activities of masculine males and also expressing girly wishes. Many from all the categories crossdressed,or atleast had some crossdreaming fantasies in less or more degrees. <br />It is just the outer manifestation of this inner femininity which varies among these different groups of MTF transgenders. <br />Science actually is not looking at this inner feminine essence but is only trying to study these outer manifestations. Needlessly, some males will have less outer manifestations and will not be considered TG enough. In that respect, the AGP will always be sidelined and downplayed as a "fetish" because he is a masculine looking straight man, and has no external signs of being womanly, as much as the feminine male and the MTF transwoman. But doing that would undermine the basic cause of this "fetish", which is what this article says.<br />Similar is the case for butch women, transmen and the autoandrophiles.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-50191244635398532142010-11-23T20:20:38.609-08:002010-11-23T20:20:38.609-08:00"In other words: there is such a thing as an ..."In other words: there is such a thing as an inner body image that is independent of the actual physical body."<br /><br />Maybe their "soul?"<br /><br />I have always personally felt that the answers to our dilemma lie not in science, but in metaphysics and theology.Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12533555060918801821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-89674454758405447532010-11-23T17:39:54.529-08:002010-11-23T17:39:54.529-08:00When did autogynephilia become limited by definiti...When did autogynephilia become limited by definition to sexual arousal, at least in any context where transsexualism is not similarly limited to an expression of sexual desire? Try to remember that those proposing the AGP are also the ones saying that transsexual identity is just an overachieving feminine gay male. You can't claim only have the theory.<br /><br />Sean, still needs a google accountAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-18119921802754650032010-11-23T14:27:11.074-08:002010-11-23T14:27:11.074-08:00Jack, I think that autogynephilia and transsexuals...Jack, I think that autogynephilia and transsexualsim are related as Blanchard suggests. The difference is that by definition autogynephilia is limted to sexual arousal or as you put it "dreams". Transsexualism is not limited to just sexual arousal but to all aspects of one's life. A man with autogynephilia is probably just like other non-autogynephiliac men except for the sexual arousal. Since this is not a "normal" sexual arousal, it is different. Because it is different, science (and scientists) wants to put a label on it, study it, write research papers on it, and maybe even write books on it...<br /><br />Is it a fetish, a paraphilia, a disorder, weird, or just different?<br /><br />Whatever it is, it isn't normal... Personally, I would say "just different" but I am not a scientist...<br /><br />Even though there might be a relationship between autogynephilia and transsexualism, there is no "path" between them meaning that one proceeds from or is going to another. <br /><br />There is probably less of a connection between autogynephilia and crossdressing because the focus of autogynephilia is the body and possibly clothes only by logical extension. (There can be overlap if clothing is used to enhance the body image for example).<br /><br />Even though everyone's life story is different, what really matters is how one deals with the reality of their own situation.Robyn Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655968146251274730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-70480987712667124432010-11-23T10:49:20.425-08:002010-11-23T10:49:20.425-08:00I have been having bisexual feelings from a young ...I have been having bisexual feelings from a young age and most of my femininity comes out during the sexual urges. But,one thing I have noticed is that I always want to be treated in a feminine way during romantic or sexual activity. I want to be seen as a passive, cold and pretty, totally like a woman. The last thing I would want is to join a group of masculine gay men who would want to see and like my masculine parts and my machoness. This is the reason I have kept away from the gay community.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-47270655902162731512010-11-23T09:30:58.028-08:002010-11-23T09:30:58.028-08:00I agree with Dented Blue Mercedes assessment. I t...I agree with Dented Blue Mercedes assessment. I think for many of us, cross-gender expression is impossible given the social milieus of our youth. So our desires find expression in the one of few private places kids have; their sexuality.Bitterness Barbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080082175885943270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-56956019394346721242010-11-23T09:20:37.496-08:002010-11-23T09:20:37.496-08:00The concept of men are from mars and women from Ve...The concept of men are from mars and women from Venus, is not enough to justify the causes of gender dysphoria. Masculinity-femininity exists in a continuous spectrum and so someone can be at the extremes, and someone can also be in the middle. Just because the transsexual is at the extreme does not rule out cases of bigenders and androgynous persons. <br />In my case, I can say I was totally like you. I never felt I was a girl, but I was highly shy, reserved and also nerdy. Some people think my nerdy nature is a characteristic of being highly manly, because I love to read so much like an intellectual. <br />But I do know that I burn with femininity inside.<br />As for the case of feeling of body dissonance, I think it also depends on many factors. When I don't have body hair, I feel cool and comfortable. But the moment I grow facial hair,I feel icky.Sometimes I think if I were not pretty and feminine looking already enough, I would have started crossdressing. Or tried hormones to reduce my manliness. <br />I mean, it depends on to what extent your body hormones are rebelling against your inner feelings.Jamesnoreply@blogger.com