tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post2005585251289490757..comments2024-02-25T22:43:04.662-08:00Comments on Crossdreamers: On Crossdreaming and Addiction to PornographySally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-19461335640925085252014-08-04T09:45:54.880-07:002014-08-04T09:45:54.880-07:00Jack,
Actually i wasn't saying it causes it, ...Jack,<br /><br />Actually i wasn't saying it causes it, it's very unlikely... but i was saying sexual behavior, like addiction, easily could morph / intervene or affect these wirings / genes, activating or disabling them.. <br />That also could go for any other type of porn tastes. The tendency to fall for a certain kink or fantasy is there but only in certain circumstances. <br /><br />Seems like the more i talk with recovering addicts, it seems like most of them have escalated to stuff they never would fantasize about outside porn (some even AG "fetishists" whom are otherwise typical males)..<br />Actually, this stuff being taboo in our society makes it all the more exciting ("Exotic becomes erotic").. that goes for both extremes of crossdreamers. Porn addiction becomes more about going into forbidden stuff so anxiety is kindof a necessary spark for many including me.<br />The differentiation could be useful to be made between being addicted to TG / AG porn or similar types of tastes simply to get off or it being a sexuality one identifies with, which usually never is not a symptom of porn addiction. Many here never have had this problem.<br /><br />I don't really think it has to be an identity in the background but there might be a similar gene or wiring common with both sides of the spectrum - this seems like the most probable thing since most don't develop dysphoria. We'll have to wait and see what they find out, too bad the biology side of this is not that conclusive yet.<br />I dont remember if it was a Baron-Cohen study but they found a gene they believe is linked to sex-identity, which seems to morph all the time. Don't know if you know what it's called or if that's important to know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09273905611748020119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-19476466420069967662014-08-04T01:28:50.883-07:002014-08-04T01:28:50.883-07:00You raise some very interesting questions. They se...You raise some very interesting questions. They serve to illustrate how the interaction between body and mind goes both ways, which again makes it hard to identify what comes first: some kind of inborn identity or the lived life of a transgender person.<br /><br />My main problem with the "TG erotica made me transgender" hypothesis is that it does not explain why someone would be turned on by the idea of being the opposite sex in the first place. <br /><br />Given the strong taboos associated with feminization in men, we should expect heterosexual men to avoid such erotica at all cost, in the same way most of them avoid gay porn. This is why I (like you) take the interest in TG captions and fiction as a symptom of something else, something deeper.<br /><br />If you are right the hormone levels change this way for all men looking at porn. Why are some -- but not all -- "feminized" in this way? And as you point out, why do the dysphoric feel worse after abstaining from porn?<br /><br />I have looked into a lot of research on brain structures and trangender identities, and none of them answer your questions, I am afraid. No one has identified a gene or set of genes causing transgender conditions.<br /><br />Moreover, most of the researchers take the "female brain" vs. "male brain" dichotomy for granted, and look for VISIBLE regions in the brain were men and women differ ON AVERAGE. Methodologically speaking, this is in itself questionable.<br /><br />They then look at the brains of transsexuals and try to see whether their brains follow the same patterns. <br /><br />None of the researchers really know what the identified parts of the brains are for. Nor do they normally correct for the lived life of the transgender persons (for instance: that living the testosterone filled life of a biological male may change these parts of the brain of a trans woman).<br /><br />Moreover, the concept of male and female brains is in itself problematic, as stereotypical "male" and "female" traits and abilities overlap significantly in both men and women. Even Baron-Cohen's research shows that less than 50 percent of his female subjects have a "female brain", which makes the concept meaningless in my mind.<br /><br />More about this <a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2014/04/new-study-dismisses-autogynephilia.html?showComment=1400494110159#c5074652626319303764" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2010/03/what-brain-science-says-about-m2f.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2011/04/spanish-brain-scan-study-shows-male-to.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-53715844881443932142014-08-03T14:43:57.992-07:002014-08-03T14:43:57.992-07:00Hey Jack, this article got me thinking.. and i dec...Hey Jack, this article got me thinking.. and i decided i wanted to give you my perspecive of how male-identified with TG / AG fantasies might much be caused by biology + the psyche and sexual behaviour. I dont know much about microbiology but it kindof struck me, since i've been researching porn addiction and its effect on our brains.. <br /><br />Studies show that when a male develops an addiction for porn or erotic material (unlike healthy boundaries), the androgen receptor-activity decrease in amount and prolactin levels arise in the long run. The testosterone drop happens too but its very temporary along with the dopamine shot we get from when we get off.. maybe the sex-genes and receptors actually can switch during the addiction to this material causing some "normal" males to develop more unusual tastes resembling some aspects of the female copulative instincts. Or maybe even some particular images turn these genes on and off.. or even the psyche can affect them (anxiety, emasculation, traumas etc.)<br />It is very possible a sexual addiction can lead a male-identified person to question their gender too even if off porn they would feel more like the next guy.<br /><br />Off porn, people abstraining from it report a spike in testosterone around the 7th day and the androgen receptors become more active again.<br />While these male-identified people report feeling empowered, masculine and happy, some dysphorics might actually feel worse..<br /><br />Maybe for many dysphoric crossdreamers, feeling temporarily like men when masturbating compulsively happens because it decreases the androgen receptor activity similarly like androgen-blockers.. and on HRT, this addiction not only stops but they notice this sexual addiction was only a coping mechanism for dysphoria?<br /><br />Do you know about any studies confirming what wirings and genes are there by default for trans vs. cis-people? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09273905611748020119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-81183133477395272052014-06-29T23:40:27.729-07:002014-06-29T23:40:27.729-07:00this thread really went off topic and every thing ...this thread really went off topic and every thing fmitsui posted is 100 % true no mater what others think and believe .<br /><br />If there is any one else facing the similar problem and had success rebooting please contact me at raisephenix gmailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-76567016464390626382014-02-06T16:08:13.283-08:002014-02-06T16:08:13.283-08:00Anon,
I have to acknowledge that there is some p...Anon, <br /><br />I have to acknowledge that there is some part of m/f sexuality that is instinct and hard wired. If we raised a hypothetical boy and girl on a deserted island with no social contact I think we would all expect to see children if we came back 20 years later. <br /><br />At very least the copulation preference (pitcher/catcher) seems likely to be a matter of biology even if its not understood in terms of penetration. This may be the same thing as the 'biological aggression' you refer to.<br /><br />Perhaps that is all there is to sexuality, aside from hormones and plumbing, and everything is, more ancillary to sexuality wither nature or nurture.<br /><br />fmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-49366445273988602142014-02-06T11:30:33.366-08:002014-02-06T11:30:33.366-08:00@fmitsui
We have already shown why an intrinsic i...@fmitsui<br /><br />We have already shown why an intrinsic identity/behaviour can not exist, as I can only identify through UFC/monstertrucks and them being associated with masculinity, and at most I can say that I like UFC and trucks because I have more biological aggression, or because I was socialized to like them. For intrinsic identity/behaviour to exist, means that a liking of UFC/monstertrucks will be innate, and there is nothing otherwise that you can allude to.<br /><br />The people in the links are the same in the sense that they are turned on by things, but also that many of them have come to love what turns them on. This looks the same as many people who have the same sissy fetish as me, who come to love the idea of transition, like interbingung on crossdreamlifeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-35018900736801759722014-02-05T22:42:13.543-08:002014-02-05T22:42:13.543-08:00There different things and not comparable - if an ...There different things and not comparable - if an intrinsic identity exists-.<br /><br />The identity view is that gender is hard wired into what we are and variations on that wiring is behavioral nurture adaptations that will always compete with that underlying tendency. I still think you would describe it in sexists terms. Feeling those sexists stereotypes and experience being content with it, or at very least the absence of dyshporia. This is not my view, but seems to be a way of describing how many approach it. <br /><br />I think sexuality is ala cart and most people wind up with a mix of male and female urges and aspects and there is no real identity except to the extent that we humans interpret and respond to the consequences of the natural world. The more I read on forums that more suspect that mentally stability affects the ability to be decisive over gender identity one way or the other. <br /><br />YMMVfmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-81684880972876258712014-02-05T17:10:31.979-08:002014-02-05T17:10:31.979-08:00@fmitsui
So when you say identity, you mean like ...@fmitsui<br /><br />So when you say identity, you mean like I "feel male" in so much as I like the monster trucks and UFC?<br /><br />Or the feelings that accompany any sexually stimulating things, like potentially as much as these people?<br /><br />http://vimeo.com/19783541<br /><br />http://youtu.be/rCgJZFlxtUU<br /><br />http://www.crossdreamlife.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=492<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-10594696559254538152014-02-04T16:22:51.430-08:002014-02-04T16:22:51.430-08:00@anon,
Here is what I mean.
If it is an identity...@anon,<br /><br />Here is what I mean.<br /><br />If it is an identity, it is a part of what you are in a fundamental way. To deny it is to cut a piece of your being out and to deny part of yourself. Doing so only leads to other problems.<br /><br />If it is a fetish or paraphilia then it is, to put it crudely, an appendage or vestigial artifact I won't really miss if I can manage to starve it or cut it off completely.<br /><br />Perhaps to your point, there may be no (or few) absolutes and living at the crossroads of sexuality give you options to shape your life. The wolf you feed wins. <br /><br />It occurs to me that people that successfully walk away from AGN/crossdreaming as a major factor in their life don't have a lot of reason to hang out on these boards and forums to post their success and even if they did, it seems there would be always be skepticism toward it.fmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-72431961690040450642014-02-04T16:22:29.466-08:002014-02-04T16:22:29.466-08:00@anon,
Here is what I mean.
If it is an identity...@anon,<br /><br />Here is what I mean.<br /><br />If it is an identity, it is a part of what you are in a fundamental way. To deny it is to cut a piece of your being out and to deny part of yourself. Doing so only leads to other problems.<br /><br />If it is a fetish or paraphilia then it is, to put it crudely, an appendage or vestigial artifact I won't really miss if I can manage to starve it or cut it off completely.<br /><br />Perhaps to your point, there may be no (or few) absolutes and living at the crossroads of sexuality give you options to shape your life. The wolf you feed wins. <br /><br />It occurs to me that people that successfully walk away from AGN/crossdreaming as a major factor in their life don't have a lot of reason to hang out on these boards and forums to post their success and even if they did, it seems there would be always be skepticism toward it.fmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-24119542535206441062014-02-04T15:09:33.692-08:002014-02-04T15:09:33.692-08:00"No one knows for sure the answer to this que..."No one knows for sure the answer to this question, but I have seen and felt too much to dismiss it as a social construct only. The instense feeling of being -- in one way or another -- "born this way", is hard to dismiss for the gender dysphoric."<br /><br />Jack, you seem to imply that constructs can't be the "intense feelings". I get the feeling that as I am not a trans person, that you do not welcome me here. I think when fmitsui makes good points, you are vaguely avoiding it so you can talk about innate preconditions. <br /><br />@fmitsui<br /><br />"Nobody cant rly describe what "being a man" feels like except saying "i like guy stuff" or smth similar."<br /><br />I can't imagine how it could be otherwise. <br /><br />"Regardless if it is identity variant or fetish in reality the best shot I have for a whole and happy life is manage it like a fetish."<br /><br />How do you distinguish between them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-13348206161770724012014-02-04T13:23:44.859-08:002014-02-04T13:23:44.859-08:00@anon,
Yes, we are definitely in the same place. ...@anon,<br /><br />Yes, we are definitely in the same place. Regardless if it is identity variant or fetish in reality the best shot I have for a whole and happy life is manage it like a fetish. Which if I stop spending so much time "studying" should not be too hard.fmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-18862248276004736862014-02-04T12:23:44.653-08:002014-02-04T12:23:44.653-08:00@fmitsui
Yeah I'm very much like you.
Nobody...@fmitsui<br /><br />Yeah I'm very much like you. <br />Nobody cant rly describe what "being a man" feels like except saying "i like guy stuff" or smth similar.. <br />Its more like "i dont feel like a woman" or "i dont have any issues with my life" what makes this valid.<br /><br />Also what u said about AG as a sexuality.. well, for me since its not smth overwhelming and doesnt define me, it somehow makes more sense to classify it as a "fetish" or even "paraphilia", not bcause it is necessarily that, but bcause thats how i view it in contrast to my personality.. It slows me down even, drags me into a direction i dont see myself as in real life.. but i understand how it fits very well and naturally towards those who have also a female personality (it clicks for them)..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-18241151599013903252014-02-04T10:36:43.644-08:002014-02-04T10:36:43.644-08:00@Jack,
I am not sure what to make of this in term...@Jack,<br /><br />I am not sure what to make of this in terms of understanding myself. <br /><br />I know what being a man feels like, thats how I have lived and enjoyed 95% of my life. If I describe it to you It would be in terms of stereotyped sexists feelings and emotions. But if, as you say, thats not really what gender identity is, do I really know what "being a man" feels like? I don't see that as the case. Is not enjoying that identity enough to make it yours?<br /><br />Considering my experience with the escalation of AGN/Crossdreaming with porn use and PMO, the fact that my life works perfectly well, even great, as a man, and my rationalist exploration of the experiences, it is becoming more difficult for me to view it in any kind of positive terms. The paraphilia shoe is fitting better and better on me with Crossdreaming as something I need starve out as much possible and minimize in my life. <br /><br />I think part of that next step for me is to stop obsessing about trying to understand this thing and just get on with living life without an answer for why this is a part of me. That sounds pretty good right now.fmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-44492711963886760852014-02-04T01:29:51.648-08:002014-02-04T01:29:51.648-08:00@ fmitsui
"If gender is not a collection of ...@ fmitsui<br /><br />"If gender is not a collection of behaviors and feelings what is it?"<br /><br />I believe you are talking about gender identity here, right?<br /><br />No one knows for sure the answer to this question, but I have seen and felt too much to dismiss it as a social construct only.<br /><br />The instense feeling of being -- in one way or another -- "born this way", is hard to dismiss for the gender dysphoric.<br /><br />One possible solution to the enigma is to understand sex identity as a trigger. Jung talked about archetypes that were not defined by their content, but by the effects they have on our behavior. <br /><br />Hunger is instinctual, but our preferences for specific types of food are not. Our ability to learn languages is instinctual, but the languages themselves are not. <br /><br />In the same way we may have a driver that compels most people to orient themselves as men or women when they grow up. This could be why gender doesn't die, even after women get equal political power (as in Norway). Most women still want to be affirmed as women, seen as women, loved as women.<br /><br />I would guess that this has indeed very much to do with sex, as in sexuality. <br /><br />Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-60637809962745398512014-02-03T05:34:48.159-08:002014-02-03T05:34:48.159-08:00fmitsui,
It feels correct that there is no inborn...fmitsui,<br /><br />It feels correct that there is no inborn gender or identity of any kind, simply that the variances created by the levels of testosterone (aggression-empathy etc) will support socialization into gender/procreation at the functional statistical scale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-31956308451959624882014-02-01T14:10:56.962-08:002014-02-01T14:10:56.962-08:00@Jack,
I agree which is why I tried to qualify my...@Jack,<br /><br />I agree which is why I tried to qualify my comments in that regard.<br /><br />But how do we describe gender outside of terms that are masculine and feminine? If gender is not a collection of behaviors and feelings what is it? I have observed many people embrace the idea of gender in terms of a metaphysical quality/state, but I don't think that is useful or well grounded. <br /><br />I thought anons question "what does being a women feel like" is a good one and extremely relevant, but seems left unanswered by anyone but me. <br /><br />Are we, the human race, not assigned a random set of biologically based behaviors and tendencies and then hurled into the world for the purpose of spreading our genes? Evolutionary biology toward the whole does not care if we feel male. female, dysphoric, or whatever. It fires all of us into the biosphere like 7 billion arrows knowing that with variety, enough arrows will hit the mark to reproduce. In this context there are no natural gender identities only behaviors that are intended to flexibly support procreation.<br /><br />It is then not hard to see why the archetypal male personality may in fact not be most effective strategy for procreation in many circumstances. Then It follows that flexible gender aspects, such as crossdreaming, submissive males, and fetish provide for a greater variety of procreation strategies and thus more flexibility and likelihood of success for a species.<br />fmitsuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-15495993215188096762014-01-31T12:18:06.389-08:002014-01-31T12:18:06.389-08:00So in my culture, if I have more aggression, I am ...So in my culture, if I have more aggression, I am more likely to like UFC and because UFC are association of manliness, this make me feel and identify as a man? <br /><br />So there maybe there are two anomalies. One of a normal biological boy liking a girly things, and because they are girly, he feels and identifies as girl. And another anomalie of a boy with a lots of empathy, so he likes to gossip with the girls and have tea parties, which are association of girliness, so he feels and identifies as girl.<br /><br />So nature is things like aggression and empathy, and nurture is where we create identity like genderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-50290253283490032492014-01-31T03:30:06.901-08:002014-01-31T03:30:06.901-08:00Thanks for that link Jack. I myself purged many ma...Thanks for that link Jack. I myself purged many many times and it did absolutely nothing for me.<br /><br />As Kelli says in her blog: the best thing is to put a positive spin on your condition which is what I finally concluded I must to in order to feel whole.<br /><br />Nevertheless there can be an addictive component to everything we do and that includes my own expression of Joanna. I have had to box her in more carefully so that her demands do not control my life entirely.<br /><br />As everything else in life, its all about balance.joannaShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07470526724889188451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-33371705167002932432014-01-31T02:14:54.659-08:002014-01-31T02:14:54.659-08:00Kelli has published a relevant article on purging...Kelli has published a relevant article on <a href="http://kellitg.blogspot.no/2014/01/purging.html" rel="nofollow"> purging on her blog today.</a> She also looks into Internet addiction.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-41416267212168889122014-01-31T00:01:25.275-08:002014-01-31T00:01:25.275-08:00@Anonymous
"So there is no feeling of being ...@Anonymous<br /><br />"So there is no feeling of being a gender beyond things that are associated with masculine or feminine?"<br /><br />That is not what I am saying, at least, although transgender and transsexual men and women may often use the masculine or feminine symbols and expressions of their target sex, as do the butch. <br /><br />But not all trans men have started out as butch. Male to female transsexuals do not always feel feminine, but they do feel that they are women. <br /><br />The women of coastal Norway may have been "mannish" in some respects, but I suspect you would find no more transsexuals among them than the population at large.<br /><br />I love <a href="http://genderterror.com/" rel="nofollow">the blog of Lucian Clark, who calls himself a crossdressing man.</a> He was born with a female body. <br /><br />To make sense out of all this divesity, I believe we have to distinguish between masculine/feminine and your sex identity. <br /><br />At the moment I find myself drawn to the following line of reasoning:<br /><br />1. Yes, on an aggregated level there may be a correlation between a male sex identity, a masculine temperament, and a masculine sexuality (I am not so sure about interests like monster trucks, though).<br /><br />2. Yes, transsexual men and women are often drawn to the symbols and stereotypical interests of their target sex when they try to express their inner self. <br /><br />Some of this may be caused by an inborn "masculine" personality profile, but it might just as well be about using the symbols at hand in order to make sense of your own identity.<br /><br />3. Yes, a majority of men may have a "masculine" sexuality, but there is a laaaaarge minority that feels otherwise.<br /><br />3. The sex identity in itself, however, does not contain all these masculine or feminine interests, sexual preferences or traits. <br /><br />If there is an inborn sex identity it is more like a trigger that pushes you in a certain direction. <br /><br />It is as if Nature says: "You are a man (or a woman). Now, go out and find out what all that is about in your setting!"<br /><br />A meaningful parallell would be a child's ability to learn languages. It is not wired for English. It is able to learn any language. <br /><br />A girl (non-trans or trans) is not wired for pink ponies, but she is wired for finding a place in the community as a woman.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-33488776639007705692014-01-30T17:11:22.963-08:002014-01-30T17:11:22.963-08:00I think it is true that testosterone and estrogen ...I think it is true that testosterone and estrogen do play a part here and contribute towards the feminine and masculine traits that make up women and men respectively.<br /><br />However, nature being what it is; it demands that there be exceptions and anomalies. This is where for some boys the desire to be feminine will exceed the norm and display itself early on; usually to be discouraged by a well meaning parent. <br /><br />The ensuing suppression can lead to a kind of schizophrenic type behaviour such as dressing in binges and then purging which is commonly experienced by the majority of crossdressers for example.<br /><br />That desire to be more feminine than expectation for a male is not understood but it makes sense that it occur just as much as the two headed fish or the five legged toad.<br /><br />The myriad of variations in nature should be predict every type of sexual behaviour and gender elasticity.<br /><br />How each person deals with it is the key with the urgency being dictated by the degree to which their dysphoria debilitates their existence. joannaShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07470526724889188451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-61701903344869986962014-01-30T11:33:11.181-08:002014-01-30T11:33:11.181-08:00So things like level of testosterone and empathy, ...So things like level of testosterone and empathy, means that most boys and girls will like what they are cultured for? <br /><br />And at the same time a boy can have the same levels as other boys, but just think or culture differently, or even like the same things as a girl?<br /><br />Is it right that I am a male sex, but when I say I am a gender, I am really saying that I like UFC and monster trucks? This feels rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-64419944078598860492014-01-30T11:03:32.697-08:002014-01-30T11:03:32.697-08:00So there is no feeling of being a gender beyond th...So there is no feeling of being a gender beyond things that are associated with masculine or feminine? <br /><br />And there is nothing that necessarily makes a masculine thing masculine, or a feminine thing feminine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-65966688300174782982014-01-30T00:18:13.561-08:002014-01-30T00:18:13.561-08:00cont...
I have noted this before, but growing up...cont...<br /><br /><br />I have noted this before, but growing up in a small community on the coast of Norway, I was used to "masculine" women and "feminine" men. <br /><br />The reason for this was that many men worked at sea, as fisher men or sailors, leaving the women behind to take care of everything else. <br /><br />This made the women independent and self confident, allowing them to express their masculine side. <br /><br />And they did, to the extent that they dominated all conversations -- which was, of course -- unacceptible among the city bourgeoisie.<br /><br />In spite of this, I still believe there is such a thing as a masculine sexuality and feminine one, even if these terms cannot be clearly defined.<br /><br />I am reading up on lesbian, and in particluar butch, sexualities now, and it is pretty clear that most butch lesbiand have a masculine sexuality. Indeed, their sex identity is often strongly connected to this sexuality. <br /><br />They are not imitating men, though, this is not a "performance". <br /><br />If I am to believe their own stories (and I do), they are expressing some kind of female masculinity and female masculine identity. This masculinity in some ways echoes the list of terms you presented. In other ways it is different.<br /><br />The stone butch will, for instance, not look at herself as "consuming". She will rather focus on the romantic ideal of masculine being loving and protecting. <br /><br />She takes pride in protecting her femme, guiding her femme, and -- above all -- pleasing her girl friend.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.crossdreamers.com/2011/12/on-statistical-difference-between-men.html" rel="nofollow">Take a look at this post on the differences between men and women.</a>Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.com