tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post4376566737406669960..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: A Transgender Psychology 3: The ShadowSally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-50613116452353596042012-07-21T22:33:13.360-07:002012-07-21T22:33:13.360-07:00Hey, Ms know it all (Mae West) what is your boy na...Hey, Ms know it all (Mae West) what is your boy name??<br /><br />http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens17666876_1298317033mae.jpgVickie Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03825420982491628278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-32343298414184031092012-05-18T23:50:35.180-07:002012-05-18T23:50:35.180-07:00"You need to come to terms with your homosexu..."You need to come to terms with your homosexuality/bisexuality. You seem to have a revulsion to the term gay. But it's just a label. Don't let your fear of labels control your life"<br /><br />This is an advice almost every westerner gives me,nothing new here.If it was just a matter of accepting my sexuality, I would have been in a gay bar right now happily dancing with 'macho gays' you speak of.<br />I also initially knew gay means only a man's attraction to men and I labeled myself gay, as the dictionary says so. That was 15 years back. And then, I began to sense what the fear of being gay creates in regular straight guys around me. I observed this again and again in several men and I also found that they all secretly had attractions to men in various degrees themselves. I found how gay represents the third-gender attraction to men and hence stigmatizes the man-man desire completely by 'homosexualizing' it. And men will always stay away from desiring men so long as it is connected with 'gays' and 'homosexuality'.Just like decent women will stay out of desiring men if that is called as "whore".<br /><br />The point is that macho or not, 'gay' represents a male without manhood and men cannot afford to take that genderless space just on account of their desire for men. They would rather mutilate or suppress it than take up a genderless space devoid of manhood.And that is what men have been doing ever since homosexuality came up in the 18th century. The society interprets this silent facade of men and represents it as meaning most men being enmasse heterosexual, almost creating a stereotype. That is what the western conspiracy is.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-49078153146953209132012-05-18T23:41:32.733-07:002012-05-18T23:41:32.733-07:00This is something that I am saying after being 500...This is something that I am saying after being 500% sure of it. I am nor ordinary layman and I have done hundreds of real ground-work research with thousands of regular straight men.<br /><br />I have worked with and studied men very, very closely, in groups, individually -- everywhere, in non-westernized societies, and I've seen how they are forced to be heterosexual as the society westernizes.<br /><br />If all men wanted physical intimacy with women -- so exclusively, then men would never have been so insecure about their heterosexual status, that you can scare them into non holding hands with each other, simply by calling them 'gays.' And, there would be no hatred for third genders who call themselves 'gays,' because, it would leave women all for the men. Men hate gays because, they are third genders who stigmatize the trait of men liking men for the men. They steal men's spaces to desire men.<br /><br />There was no need for such extreme psycho-social mechanisms to force men with women, and to break men from men, if most men naturally feel such a strong need for intimacy with women.<br /><br />What I have been doing in the internet for a few years is to simply make an attempt to spread this important message to as many men and third-genders as possible so that the connection between men desiring men and 'homosexuality' is broken and men get their final freedom and natural manhood space back. Because, the heterosexualization of men by tying manhood with heterosexuality is the root of all their oppressions and also this in turn plays in important role in men oppressing women. So long as men don't have their own freedom to be themselves, they cannot give women freedom practically.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-67414197444147099982012-05-18T12:27:14.770-07:002012-05-18T12:27:14.770-07:00@masculine
You need to come to terms with your ho...@masculine<br /><br />You need to come to terms with your homosexuality/bisexuality. You seem to have a revulsion to the term gay. But it's just a label. Don't let your fear of labels control your life. There are lots of macho gays out there. They don't show any signs of femininity.<br /><br />You seem to feel that if heterosexual men were given an unfettered freedom to chose they would pick men as companions over women. I think you're totally wrong. Most western countries now accept homosexuality and men (and women) are now free to choose their partners and the vast majority freely choose to be heterosexual.<br /><br />I still don't see why you take your frustrations out on women. Quit calling them whores all the time. You might get a little more sympathy. Remember that women have been repressed for centuries. You seem to resent that they're finally standing up for equal rights. <br /><br />Also, I don't think Jack's blog is a good platform for this discussion. It's way off topic.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-89728339858540226042012-05-18T11:46:33.378-07:002012-05-18T11:46:33.378-07:00This is my blog where I have highlighted the press...This is my blog where I have highlighted the pressures men face.If hardly anyone here gets tears in his eyes after going through this,my stance that it is an anti-man culture will only be reinforced.<br /><br />http://youth-masculinity.blogspot.in/Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-56703259605311217272012-05-18T10:06:42.972-07:002012-05-18T10:06:42.972-07:00The point is that
gay is a third gender, emascula...The point is that <br />gay is a third gender, emasculated identity, and it is perfectly normal for men to fear the term 'gay' and hate it intensely. <br />Men should not have to be 'gay' to desire men, just as women should not have to be 'whores' to desire men.<br /><br />Although, the society does reserve all the formal space for male female relationship, and leaves no space for relationships between normal men. When women already have such a sole right over men, formally, then it makes sense to put some restrain on this power unduly given to women, and demand that any woman that shows desire for men be considered a 'whore.' Unless, women agree to forsake this artificial power over men vested in them.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-79313302528224889272012-05-18T09:48:08.079-07:002012-05-18T09:48:08.079-07:00"Why is it women's fault? Just because th..."Why is it women's fault? Just because they're learning to stand up for their own rights? How is that interfering with yours? It sounds like it is threatening to you. You use the word whore for women a lot, it sounds like you have a pretty deep rooted hatred for them. Do you think men and women should be treated equally?"<br /><br />I never even blamed women for this? I simply said that after the feminists liberated women, the anti-man forces got a bigger chance to enforce mass heterosexuality on men to qualify for manhood because now it is not just marriage but full fledged 24-hour heterosexuality to be qualified as 'straight'. Previously,women had restrictions and this gave men a lot of leeway to be themselves even if not all the time.<br /><br />It is not that women should not be liberated. But, the problem is that there is hardly anyone to look at the men's oppression.<br />And how is it that I am wrong in calling self-indulgent promiscuous women who wish to dominate men as 'whores' but your society calls even a simple display of love between men as 'gay'?Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-53747544519429991762012-05-18T09:41:03.552-07:002012-05-18T09:41:03.552-07:00" In reality the west is very supportive of m..." In reality the west is very supportive of most sexual lifestyles. Maybe you should move here and away from your repressive government, you might be pleasantly surprised. I see a lot of male to male hugging, kissing and hand holding."<br /><br /><br />Can two male friends cross the road in the US hand in hand, if they feel close to each other, without being jeered at, or even stoned and ridiculed as 'gay'?<br />And therein, same-sex marriage is allowed but only gays are allowed to marry gays. And gays may be men for you, but certainly not in the eyes of mainstream culture. In almost all mainstream circles,gays are seen as effeminate or atleast unmanly or males without manhoood.<br /><br />Men are not allowed socially or legally or religously to love or have sex with each other in marriage, like men and women are; not even in the west.In the west, they can't do that without being 'gay.' Which is like saying its ok for a woman to date men, by being a 'whore.'<br /><br />"So what is it you want? Do you want to have sex with men but not be labeled gay or homosexual? Why are you worried about someone else's label? Or do you want to have sex with men and women? Then you're bisexual. Or do you consider yourself heterosexual? But you still want to have sex with men?"<br /><br />It is not about my personal needs. It is about liberating all men and this I know will take time, maybe generations, just like women's liberation took. However, it would be faster only if heterosexualization is not done at such a large scale.<br /><br />Yes,I want men to be able to love men without being gay but as straight (remember that 'straight' means practically a real masculine man with manhood and not 'heterosexual' as the west formally portrays; in any case, most men are really not heterosexual). That will be the day when men truly get liberated.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-63913404439078881902012-05-18T07:58:03.276-07:002012-05-18T07:58:03.276-07:00And, I got to know of men's universal need for...And, I got to know of men's universal need for love/intimacy with men, from growing up in non-westernized India and working deeply on gender and sexual issues with men. I'm not extrapolating anything. I have seen, observed and experienced this universal male need for men, first hand, and I know that it is, in most cases, far more strong than male need for women can ever be. In fact, when I was growing up, men would usually try to put off marriage as far as possible. Today, they can't say that openly and pretend, as if they couldn't wait to get married.<br />This would also explain the immense hostility that societies have for man-man bonds, and why societies have been at war with it for so long. Because, men need to be broken from other men, in order to be forced with women.<br />Besides, today the world is on the verge of dying out because of male-female sex (over reproduction).<br /><br />And, what is the fun of forcing the entire population of men to mate with women enmasse through the use of unnatural technological means like the contraceptives. <br /><br />Western people, first use the excuse of reproduction to force heterosexuality on men, and then, strive to break the connection of male-female sex from the burden of reproduction, so that you can enjoy it in the same way as men are supposed to enjoy with other men. So, that you can make sex between men totally redundant. But, that is unnatural, and anti-man.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-78179480111630328932012-05-18T07:31:11.614-07:002012-05-18T07:31:11.614-07:00@Lindsay,
You are wrong. Men in west can kiss othe...@Lindsay,<br />You are wrong. Men in west can kiss other men and hold hands only when gay or bisexual which is being a part of queer LGBT.<br />Men in west cannot kiss or hold hands with men if they are to be seen as straight males with manhood.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-48054191522012553262012-05-17T11:09:02.453-07:002012-05-17T11:09:02.453-07:00@masculine
So what is it you want? Do you want to...@masculine<br /><br />So what is it you want? Do you want to have sex with men but not be labeled gay or homosexual? Why are you worried about someone else's label? Or do you want to have sex with men and women? Then you're bisexual. Or do you consider yourself heterosexual? But you still want to have sex with men?<br /><br />Why is it women's fault? Just because they're learning to stand up for their own rights? How is that interfering with yours? It sounds like it is threatening to you. You use the word whore for women a lot, it sounds like you have a pretty deep rooted hatred for them. Do you think men and women should be treated equally?<br /><br />You seem to think it's a problem with the west. In reality the west is very supportive of most sexual lifestyles. Maybe you should move here and away from your repressive government, you might be pleasantly surprised. I see a lot of male to male hugging, kissing and hand holding.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-8591278987505737572012-05-17T01:43:30.587-07:002012-05-17T01:43:30.587-07:00@Lindsay,
It seems you really have nothing to argu...@Lindsay,<br />It seems you really have nothing to argue logically other than simply accusing people of being misogynists. The problem is that you people are just too much concerned about women's oppression and really seem to think men have no oppressions at all. <br />Women may be oppressed but how the hell does raising issues about men mean being misogynist? <br />That is exactly what I said.Whenever I raise man's rights issues, I am labeled an anti-woman or misogynist. Why then shouldn't I call feminists as anti-man by the same logic? <br /><br />The entire structure of exclusive heteronormativity is a stupid gender-role imposed on men due to which they have their real natural masculinity mutilated froever. I would not consider things such as healthy social male-female bonding or even marriage as unhealthy but what happens in the west is encouragement of a filthy perverted brand of heterosexual intimacy with women, imposed on men. This is certainly not healthy by any means. It is a sheer waste.<br />And I am not the one losing gender entitlement. Infact, right since feminism began and started to encourage whores to hog the limelight without simultaeneously paying attention to problems of men,males have become vehemently oppressed but unlike female issues, their problems are never addressed. They only have to suffer in silence because the moment they raise a voice they become 'gays'.And you call this as mere insecurity?<br /><br />Infact, even in the west several men's activists are trying to fight against the rigid gender and sexual roles of men but nobody notices them.They are all alone and no man even dares to support them lest they should be called as gay.Many men's rights groups have to nowadays include women among them so that these groups are not seen as gay.It is an extremely pathetic situation for men in the west.<br /><br />However, queer males and transsexuals like you never get to see this reality of men and simply think that women are the only ones who are oppressed.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-28994191134298704712012-05-16T12:49:07.475-07:002012-05-16T12:49:07.475-07:00@masculine
What a misogynistic attitude. Don'...@masculine<br />What a misogynistic attitude. Don't try to use your flawed logic as an excuse to continue your cultures oppression of women. I'm personally glad that the world as a whole is moving to a more gender neutral society (albeit slowly). <br /><br />You seem to be worried about losing your gender entitlement. If you were a more secure male you wouldn't be worrying about such nonsense.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-35030210879455685842012-05-15T08:30:26.737-07:002012-05-15T08:30:26.737-07:00What happens in the west today is that the moment ...What happens in the west today is that the moment I raise a voice about man's rights, I begin to sound anti-woman. I am not at all saying men should not have relationships with women when they need to. However, what I am saying is they should not be forced into exclusive relations with women when they may not want to, by tying manhood with heterosexuality.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-51682816604494805812012-05-15T08:12:30.798-07:002012-05-15T08:12:30.798-07:00"If I understand you correctly the proper rel..."If I understand you correctly the proper relationship for a man is with other men, from which women are to be excluded."<br /><br />It is not that women are to be excluded. If things were left to nature,many masculine men would naturally reject, especially the ones who are promiscuous whores.What is right or wrong is different. I am talking about the truth.It may not be a positive trait for society and that is why vested interests want to so much queer the trait of man-man desire so that men stay away from it.<br /><br />"I love women! I like being with them, also in a non-sexual way. I work with women, live with a woman and have female friends"<br /><br />In nature,the males who gel emotionally well with females are various shades of queer to transgendered males.Masculine men if they at all care about females, care only for the physical part and that too at certain moments of their life.<br /><br />" They have been conditioned to think of the presence of women as dishonorable. That they are, in fact, very much interested in women, is proven by the way they treat foreign women (as whores)."<br /><br />You seem to take the facades presented by men all across the world as real. I proved in my previous post how without the pressure of manhood being tied to heterosexuality, men mostly never encourage whores.<br /><br />"Do you really mean that men's love of women is in some way unnatural or wrong?"<br /><br />Yes, there are many men who love women and many who don't. For those who do, it is not wrong. Neither for those who don't.What I am saying is different.<br /><br />In fact, I am also wanting the same things as you are.That things should be left to nature. Let men be who they are. We should not interfere with the emotional and social needs of an individual beyond what is necessary. It is not about what is right or wrong. It is about being in touch with nature and in nature it is just that most masculine men are also having deep emotional needs for other men (regardless of whether they have attraction to women or not). This trait is being tampered with and artificially queered by the FOH and this is what is so wrong.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-17796965990518325992012-05-15T00:28:20.265-07:002012-05-15T00:28:20.265-07:00@Masculine
Now I am confused, because now you are...@Masculine<br /><br />Now I am confused, because now you are turning the heteronormative tale into a kind of -- I don't know -- andronormative (?) tale. <br /><br />If I understand you correctly the proper relationship for a man is with other men, from which women are to be excluded.<br /><br />I love women! I like being with them, also in a non-sexual way. I work with women, live with a woman and have female friends. I learn as much from them as I do from men. And given that they often have a different life experience, I learn different things from them.<br /><br />I do see the need for men's spaces, being that clubs, masonic lodges, fishing trips or soccer matches. <br /><br />Men need spaces where the male/female sexual dynamics is absent, in the same way women need the sanctuary of a girl's night out. <br /><br />But surely, the main reason Yemeni men prefer the company of men, is that the presence of women outside the family is taboo. They have been conditioned to think of the presence of women as dishonorable. That they are, in fact, very much interested in women, is proven by the way they treat foreign women (as whores).<br /><br />I dream of a society where men can be what they truly are. If that is being a masculine man with masculine men, that is a good thing. If that is being a "softer" man, who is sexually attracted to men, but who loves the company of women, that's fine. If it means being a man who wants to share his life with a woman, that is the way it should be.<br /><br />Do you really mean that men's love of women is in some way unnatural or wrong?Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-59994900922088538762012-05-14T08:07:13.927-07:002012-05-14T08:07:13.927-07:00About a decade ago, there was an advertisement oft...About a decade ago, there was an advertisement often displayed on TV, where a whore asking for a lift from a macho, alpha male, was snubbed by him, who left her behind. The forces of westernization that followed soon after, took strong exception to the ad, and made a counter ad, making fun of that macho male, saying he is not 'man' enough. <br />The westernized media and other forces of heterosexualization, have used immense western capital to force men to become heterosexualized against their wishes, by forcefully changing the roles of manhood. Indeed, in today's schools and colleges in Indian meteros, boys are shamed for holding hands with friends. And, they are shamed for not having girlfriends or for not having had sex with girls. This is what the western society has done to its males already.<br />You put a gun on the men and force them to be heterosexual, and then you claim, its natural for the masses to do so.<br />This is the real secret behind 'man's heterosexuality.'Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-46234414015855100992012-05-14T08:04:42.185-07:002012-05-14T08:04:42.185-07:00It's funny, how the west, esp. its LGBTs think...It's funny, how the west, esp. its LGBTs think that how westerners think and behave today is how the entire world has always been. That is simply bullshit.<br />Just a few years ago, things in India were WAY different. Hardly any man had girlfriends, even when you could always have them with just a little secrecy. Afterall, a few men did have girlfriends. But, most men were not only happy without girls (they just married for social duty which is not same as 'hetrosexuality' of the western kind), they hated girls who tried to intrude into men's spaces -- esp. sexually. So, men resisted women's entry into army, boys resisted having their schools made into co-education schools, and so on. Not too long ago, I saw a group of street rowdies harrassing a girl (whore) on bus who sought to stand in the midst of the boys in the bus crowd, in order to be 'close' to them. They openly called her a whore and discouraged her behaviour. This tendency has been all too common amongst boys -- to fiercely protect men's spaces, esp. against sexually aggressive women. If men were really heterosexual, these men should have felt suppressed and should have welcomed these whores with open arms. (Things are different today, because, the forces of westernization have artifically changed the roles of manhood using their immense financial and technical powers).Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-66424761892456124122012-05-14T07:59:12.506-07:002012-05-14T07:59:12.506-07:00@Jack,
Everywhere western culture and education sp...@Jack,<br />Everywhere western culture and education spreads,man-man desire and intimacy becomes "homosexualized" and man holding hands with girls becomes "manly".<br />In all traditional cultures, the exact opposite thing happened.<br />This reversal of manhood roles and definitions has been brought about by the anti-man mechanisms which I call as FOH (Forces Of Heterosexualization).<br />The FOH is a very powerful 9even if just a minority) faction prevalent all across the world, especially the west due to its strong Christian backgrund and they are the ones responsible for making something that is an integral part of masculinity, look "queer".<br />The result is that whatever is there of masculinity today in straight spaces is actually "queer" and it is the gay space that has become more pro-man an closer to masculinity. This unfortunate development of manhood and masculinity roles has been a direct consequence of the FOH which forces all men to reign in their sexuality for men and divert all their emotional,romantic and social needs onto women to be qualified as a man in society.<br />In reality,most men, whether or not they have a need for intimacy for women, always have a stronger and more primary need for intimacy with other men. The FOH wanted to destroy this trait of men because if that did not happen, very few masculine men would ever care to form exclusive emotional relationships with women and participate in the family reproduction process. <br /><br />"As a Northern European it took me some time to get acquainted with the idea that men are to hug when meeting each other, and even touch when talking."<br />This speaks volumes of the kind of unnatural soociety you are dwelling in. In nature, the only males who hug and hold hands with girls rather than other men day long are the various shades of queer males from the effeminate to the transgendered.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-2895549078787004172012-05-14T01:38:40.869-07:002012-05-14T01:38:40.869-07:00@Masculine
I agree with your view of the taboo. I...@Masculine<br /><br />I agree with your view of the taboo. I am just trying to find out what caused it.<br /><br />I have friends from Southern Europe who are not equally shy of male bonding, even the physical one. <br /><br />As a Northern European it took me some time to get acquainted with the idea that men are to hug when meeting each other, and even touch when talking. <br /><br />Now the influx of immigrants from North Africa and The Middle East is changing the way Norwegian boys behave. There is a lot of hugging and even kissing on the cheeks, which would have been absolutely unheard of when I was a kid.<br /><br />So I am wondering why the Mediterranean region has a more relaxed attitude towards physical male bonding than the Northern European/North American region. <br /><br />There is another development that puzzles me as well. In 19th century Norway "bromances" were quite common, i.e. strong male friendships with expressions of love. <br /><br />I have read letters from that period where men declare their love and devotion for each other. An no, this is not about sex, but they do use terms of endearment that nowadays are only found in love letters. <br /><br />In other words: The intense fear of being accused of homosexuality if you are befriending a man as a man is pretty recent.<br /><br />The reason I bring up the role of women is that that is the only parallel development I see that can be associated with the increasing hetero-normative pressure. <br /><br />I see that the fear of same-sex "sexual contamination" is increasing in the middle classes of India and Southern Europe in parallel with the development of an affluent middle class. Can that be a coincidence?Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-88771488310871161382012-05-12T09:15:45.588-07:002012-05-12T09:15:45.588-07:00@Jack,
In the west male bonding is taboo to a seve...@Jack,<br />In the west male bonding is taboo to a severe extent because it is for all practical purposes "homoosexualized". And inspite of formal outard claim that sexuality is independent of gender, most mainstream people see "homosexuality" and effemimate as synonymous.<br />This male bonding taboo has become so high and lunatic in the west that two men with manhood in west even fear holding hands together. They come to our country and get shocked to see men holding hands which they see as "gay" and hence feminine. Like here:<br /><br />http://www.stuffindianslike.com/2008/04/170-holding-hands.html <br /><br />I would also disagree with your view that this taboo increases when women are made to stay at home. Because,this applies to all places,even in the workplace itself and there are few women in west today who don't work.<br /><br />The entire taboo has been to hetersexualize all kinds of social institutions for men which I see as an anti-man mechanism. Because, male bonding (which may or may not include sexual bonds), is an inherent part of real natural masculinity.<br />Infact,as per my analysis, the males who are most naturally comfortable sharing emotional bonding with women are the feminine males including the queer heterosexuals and many transsexuals.Many masculine men can also be exclusively heterosexualized through training from a young age but that would be against the core masculine nature of the boy.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-47240702851177499122012-05-11T01:45:21.599-07:002012-05-11T01:45:21.599-07:00@Masculine
Allow me to speculate:
The strict div...@Masculine<br /><br />Allow me to speculate:<br /><br />The strict divide between men and women, active and reactive, masculine and feminine on the one hand and the strict heterosexist requirement on the other hand developed in the upper classes of Europe in the 19th century. It happens at a time when the economy allows for homes where the man is the breadwinner and the woman is working at home.<br /><br />In Norway, for instance, there is a huge cultural shift from the farmer's wife on the one hand (who had the keys to the farm and therefore was -- for all practical purposes -- its CEO) to the middle class Mad Men mum-at-home model found in the 1950s to the 1960s. <br /><br />Between the wars the bourgeoisie followed the kept woman model, while working class women were working in factories and brought home their own salaries.<br /><br />In the West the heterosexist dogma gains strength when women stays at home. As both Kinsey and Wilhelm Reich pointed out, same-sex male bonding was not a strict taboo among working class Americans and Germans, probably because many women had paid work. <br /><br />Being the passive recipient during sex might have been frowned upon, but male bonding as well as sexual interaction was not. (this especially applies to reciprocal masturbation and similar activities).<br /><br />When the woman become completely dependent on the man, a new kind of dynamic develop: A fear of being cuckolded. The endless number of stories about the postman refers to this fear. If a woman cheats on his man, she proves that he is not in fact a manly man, according to this paranoid style of living. Since he now is the owner of the productive capabilities of his wife, he has to prove that he controls her. This might contribute to strengthening the fear of male sexuality. <br /><br />An argument against this would be countries like Saudi Arabia, where women have been reduced to servitude, but where the male bonding -- at least the non-sexual part -- has been strengthened, simply because women have been removed from the public sphere. The only women men can be with are the ones they own themselves. But then again Yemen and Saudi Arabia has a very small capitalist middle class.<br /><br />Indeed, thinkers like Judith Butler and Deleuze/Guattari indicate that the male bonding taboo is part of the new capitalist economy. That is: The modern "core family" of mum, dad and two to three kids, is the basis of the consumer society, and the taboos at breaking up this unit is therefore enormously strong. You can see this in contemporary American politics where the Tea Pary movement pretends it is defending traditional family values. The fact is that these values are rather new , historically speaking.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-225083067043404532012-05-09T08:50:42.971-07:002012-05-09T08:50:42.971-07:00In order to portray that men in nature are straigh...In order to portray that men in nature are straight and heterosexual, thy essentially highlighted two major kinds of men as representing the entire class of man as a whole:<br />(1)The 20% of men who are extremely sexually promiscuous with women. But these men are hardly heterosexual in the sense of enjoying a whole term emotional relation with a woman. And they control harems of females in certain phases of their life.Besides,many of them are also open to sex with men, especially if they can find a vulnerable male by chance, such as in prisons.<br /><br />(2)The minority of effeminate and transgendered males who like men who are portrayed as 'gays' by the west to prove desire for men is a feminine quality. <br /><br />Then the west further wipes out two other major categories of males from the mainstream altogether and makes them socially invisible,although they represent a majority in their own ways:<br />(1) Transgendered males who like women,ie., queer heterosexuals.<br />(2) Masculine men who love men.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-3562847791136998482012-05-09T08:43:01.761-07:002012-05-09T08:43:01.761-07:00Even if today, the truth about universal men's...Even if today, the truth about universal men's sexuality for men maybe suppressed in the west, there was a time, before science overtook the task of 'studying sexuality,' when this fact was commonplace in the men's spaces. Now, considering that many of the scientists who had fudged up men's sexuality through their lopsided and misleading theories and concepts, were also men (eg., Darwin, westphal and Freud), there was no way this essential truth could have escaped their attention, as they were laying down the roots of the modern concepts on male gender and sexuality. surely, they had an agenda. It's western science, that is totally responsible for the immensely hostile environment in the west, that men live under today. Based on those false foundations deliberately laid down by the anti-man forces,<br /><br />Today's anti-man forces go on building up on that -- basically, creating half-baked theories after theories after theories, that basically serve to give scientific validity to the invalid homo-hetero divide, to potray man's desie for men as effeminate and minority and atypical and to portray man's desire for women as universal and manly and normal. Naturally, they can never prove any of these theories ever (eg, they have never found a scientific basis for 'sexual orientation' and gay gene), yet, these half-baked theories and concepts (that at best represent half-truths)are accepted in the west as universal truths, since, the western culture is already strongly convinced of the existence of the homo-hetero categories ... thanks to the relentless work done by the anti-man forces in the west, during all these decades.Masculinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-43002052943253457552012-05-06T23:55:51.162-07:002012-05-06T23:55:51.162-07:00@Angel,
Thank you for a very interesting link and...@Angel,<br /><br />Thank you for a very interesting link and some good observations! I will publish a post on the anima and the animus, but -- like you -- I will not reduce transgender to anima/animus possession. <br /><br />@Miz Know-it-All<br /><br />You are actually inviting yourself into my home to tell me that I am not invited into yours. If this was an attempt at debunking my argument, I am afraid you achieved the exact opposite. <br /><br />@Masculine<br /><br />Yes, the contemporary theory of homosexuality is only one of many approaches to same-sex relationships. And it is, as you point out, very recent historically. <br /><br />Traditionally people distinguished between being active and passive. The passive bottom was ridiculed, the active top was not. This is an attitude that is still found in some parts of the world, including parts of Southern Europe, the Middle East and India - especially of you move out of the upper classes.<br /><br />I must admit I am also beginning to suspect that much of our homophobia is cultural conditioning. Even if people may be predominantly gynephilic (woman loving) or androphilic (man loving), there is still a part of them that is attracted to their own physical sex.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.com