tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post4941892759041735925..comments2024-03-26T16:19:11.382-07:00Comments on Crossdreamers: The Autogynephilia Debate 2: On Mr. ASally Molayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02015510914816971645noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-59726102381850160192010-01-21T22:32:32.451-08:002010-01-21T22:32:32.451-08:00My take is that the classical transexuals feel tha...My take is that the classical transexuals feel that they have always been women. They have felt that way since birth (or soon after). They don't want to be lumped in with the transgendered because once you're in that group the psychiatrists start finding other explanations for their behavior like AGP, HSTS, etc... And to a classical transexual who has always been a woman with a birth defect (either corrected or not) this is unacceptable. <br /><br />I don't think most transexuals are upset by this. But the ones that do are very vocal. But I can see their point and I agree with them.<br /><br />I'm an engineer by trade and I know that for most problems there are more than one acceptable solution. A corollary is that there is more than one path to being a true transexual. Some realize it from birth. Some don't make the connection until puberty, and others may not realize it until much later. <br /><br />There is also a sliding scale to how much of a transexual someone is. On that scale are classical transexuals, TS's that don't make the connection until puberty, AGP's, HSTS's, etc...<br /><br />Thanks,<br />LindsayLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-54980588774854276832010-01-21T20:23:54.216-08:002010-01-21T20:23:54.216-08:001. nobody HAS to take down a youtube video from ne...1. nobody HAS to take down a youtube video from negative comments, you can turn off commenting (unless they were threatening to flag the video, and possibly get her account deleted. youtube doesn't have the time to discuss legitimacy of complaints. if there are enough of them, they will take action without recourse).<br />2. I don't understand why any group, who they themselves are persecuted, would attack another (somewhat) similar group when they themselves are struggling just as they are? It's almost like blacks against blacks (you blacks over there stealing and murdering are giving us law abiding blacks a bad name). That or possibly comparing us to that movie "soul man" where the rich kid pretends to be black so he can get a free scholarship since his parents won't pay tuition, then gets caught, and the lesson he learns is that he can never truly know what it is to be black and feel racism, because he could take his mask off whenever he wanted to. Perhaps this is similiar hatred, as transgendered folk look at us like "oh, you just dress up and become female whenever you want, and when the heels hurt or you want the higher paying job as a man, you just take off the mask when it's convenient.<br /><br />just my 2 centstg_captionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15015206450712314680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-14858754997748206412010-01-20T16:15:09.092-08:002010-01-20T16:15:09.092-08:00This sort of ideological purity regarding transgen...This sort of ideological purity regarding transgender phenomenon, to the point of threatening to REMOVE open debate, positively frightens me.<br /><br />These threats remind me of aspects of fascist mass movements, not of open debates in an open society.<br /><br />I hope you will continue to publish your blog, as I continue to attempt to understand myself and others.<br /><br />-ColinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-46933674541259879492010-01-20T15:51:41.189-08:002010-01-20T15:51:41.189-08:00Jack,
What would be truly helpful is a glossary o...Jack,<br /><br />What would be truly helpful is a glossary of terms. Especially the acronyms (AGP, HSTS, etc...). Also, most people new to these subjects don't know the difference between transgendered and transexual so their definitions would be nice (don't sex and gender mean the same thing?).<br /><br />It looks like most transexuals don't like being included in the transgender camp.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />LindsayLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742298653334993493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-36354951533564865722010-01-19T05:42:05.532-08:002010-01-19T05:42:05.532-08:00continued...
4. I will make a few posts on how ot...continued...<br /><br />4. I will make a few posts on how other cultures have integrated the existence of what I (for a lack of better words) call transgender and transsexual people. I am especially interested in the Inanna cult of Sumeria and the "twin souls" of some Native American tribes. This is not because I believe that these people were autogynephiliacs, but because they remind us that our categorization should not be taken for granted.<br /><br />I am _not_ going to discuss the lives of "classic" transsexual women in any depth. From the latest discussions, I see though, that there might be a need to go more into the lives of "post-autogynephile post-op transsexual women" (God, I hate this term! We have to find a better one!), but only if I get input from some of these women themselves. <br /><br />Apart from that, I might make posts based on comments from the readers of this blog. I have one in the pipeline on a survey of autogynephiliacs made in the 90's.<br /><br />As for my interactions with other bloggers, I have I dialog going with Susanne over at My Husband is an Autogynephiliac and Mr. Autogynephilia over at YouTube. Apart from that I have made posts at a few other blogs, including your own.<br /><br />Your latest post over at your blog (http://ariablue.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/interim-post/) may be interpreted to mean that my blog is part of an coordinated effort to "damn the physiological basis of transsexualism". <br /><br />Let me assure you, that that is not the case. I strongly believe there is a biological basis for transsexualism, and I believe "classic" transsexual women are exactly what they claim to be: women - no "buts" involved.<br /><br />What may be a controversial move, though, is that I have come to believe that there is some kind of biological basis for the condition underpinning autogynephilia as well.It is impossible to prove this, given the current state of research, but it is at least a topic that deserves a thorough discussion.<br /><br />JackJack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-81944669609887637062010-01-19T05:41:48.699-08:002010-01-19T05:41:48.699-08:00Mercedes! Thank you very much for the links. This...Mercedes! Thank you very much for the links. This is very helpful, indeed. I will probably include most of them in my resource section.<br /><br />To ariablue:<br /><br />Yes, I do have an agenda, and you are right when you point out that I have a plan for my posting.<br /><br />This plan is no secret, though. <br /><br />My overall goal is to help myself an other autogynephiliacs develop a language or a narrative that helps us understand ourselves in a better way. I hope that such a narrative may remove some of the stigma attached to this condition, so that we ultimately can find some kind of peace with ourselves, and through that be able to live better lives with those we love.<br /><br />Although I find the category of AGP useful -- because we do exist! -- I find Blanchard and Bailey's tendency of labeling us (as well as others) as paraphiliacs very problematic. <br /><br />It is not that I do not see that autogynephiliacs often struggle with mental illnesses (depressions, obsessions or even fetish-like behavior), but based on my own experience and the experience of others I have been in contact with, I see that our condition cannot be reduced to being a perversion or a fetish. Nor can I see that Blanchard has any proof whatsoever for his idea that autogynephiliacs are internalizing their external love object, being -- in fact -- nothing but self-obsessed narcissists. <br /><br />There is an underlying cause for all this, and that is what I am trying to explore here.<br /><br />As for future postings, I have the following plan, and given time I hope I will be able to carry it through:<br /><br />1. I will finish my series on Roughgarden, as I think she has developed a narrative that allows for a broader view of sex and gender issues.<br /><br />2. I will try to describe different alternative interpretations of what we know about autogyenphilia, not because I can prove that they are more true than the one delivered by Blanchard, but in order to show that his is not the only one that fits the "facts".<br /><br />3. I will go deeper into current biological and evolutionary research on sex and gender, again in order to show that alternative narratives are possible.Jack Molayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03629363646482611722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-13679655992417949632010-01-19T01:45:41.461-08:002010-01-19T01:45:41.461-08:00You are a sort of operative, aren't you Jack? ...You are a sort of operative, aren't you Jack? Your postings follow a pattern and you have a very pointed agenda. You should try to make your next effort a little less obvious. Be careful with this one people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-63685639209109673812010-01-18T19:08:30.898-08:002010-01-18T19:08:30.898-08:00You wrote: "When presenting the theories of ...You wrote: "When presenting the theories of Blanchard & Co, I have probably not been clear enough about what are their ideas as opposed to mine or alternative views on autogynephilia."<br /><br />That would probably help. Keep in mind, however, that because of the way autogynephilia is defined by its originator and designed to undermine the identities of transsexual women (AG is a little vague on FTM transsexualism), it's going to have some negative baggage no matter how you try to define it.<br /><br />You mention "classic transsexuals," which gives me a pretty good idea of the kind of feedback you've been getting. There has been a diversion of thought lately between "classic transsexualism" and genderqueer thought, with some of us settling somewhat down the middle.<br /><br />I'll attach a few links here. I'll warn you, they're mostly long articles, but feel free to have a look and think about them.<br /><br />You mention the idea of a continuum of gender variance -- I've had a few thoughts on that (and AG) at:<br />http://www.bilerico.com/2008/05/3_models_of_transsexuality.php<br /><br />There are some serious flaws in the way "fetish" (i.e. as paraphilia) is used and how it gets applied to any trans-related diagnosis or mode of thought, discussed here: http://dentedbluemercedes.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/fetish-the-other-f-word/<br /><br />A bit about self-definitions and how they sometimes divide: http://dentedbluemercedes.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/rocky-horror-and-the-holy-grail-or-the-problem-with-defining-to-exclusion/<br /><br />And tying it all together with a bit more clarity about "fetish:" http://dentedbluemercedes.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/risky-thinking/<br /><br />I should let you know (because the mentions of it may otherwise seem confusing) that between the first of those articles and the later ones, I reversed my decision on having surgery for personal reasons (more of that to follow at a later time).<br /><br />I'm not partial to the theory of autogynephilia. I do think that categorization can be seen as an overcomplicated pathologization of something that is naturally-occurring in some people, in the same way that "nymphomania" was once created to make all women ashamed of any sexual desire they may have had. Cisgender (non-transgender) women certainly have moments of wanting to dress up and look exciting -- I think the biggest difference here has to do with the amount of testosterone in the body, plus a bit to do with socialization (i.e. male-raised people developing such an emphatic dependence on the sense of sight).<br /><br />Anyway, have a look through the links. Feel free to disagree if you want, but there might be some things in there to reflect on, and certainly it'll give you another side of the "classic transsexual" vs. everything else conflict happening.Mercedeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070237425179174793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-32389008181845851772010-01-18T16:03:49.374-08:002010-01-18T16:03:49.374-08:00Jack,
I think the biggest thing to note is that w...Jack,<br /><br />I think the biggest thing to note is that we all know way too little on this subject and can only talk about our own experiences and what we are doing based on these experiences.<br /><br />I have met a couple TS who I would say probably fit the AGP pattern yet are happily transitioned. I do not think transition is a good idea for AGPs in general but.. *shrug* I have even met AGPs who are "stealth" as women. <br /><br />In general, what I am trying to do is be part of helping people figure out what is the best route for themselves as I meander down what I feel is the best route for myself. <br /><br />I also want to be an intelligent voice in helping to define when a person who was born male needs to transition and live as a women and what caring for gender confused children should be like. Those are issues I care a lot about because they are quality of life issues that would have definitely impacted my life.<br /><br />I am not a member of some elite club.. I just bring my life to the table and I like to think I do it honestly. In general I am a very kind person but I am not above anger. But fundamentally, I am just here as a human being.<br /><br />Thanks for your work :)GenderQuestioninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07966407055595576955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-37556070358431143772010-01-18T11:08:34.318-08:002010-01-18T11:08:34.318-08:00Following on from my above comment about she male ...Following on from my above comment about she male porn. A while ago I found a You Tube video of a post tranition TS (pre op) who confessed such an interest prior to treatment. She said she was addicted to fantasising over such pornography. After hormone treatment and social transition she was very happy. Prior to this she was very traumatised about this as it was making her unhappy. Not sure if the video is still up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2472400923228993687.post-58074409589680453542010-01-18T10:45:13.901-08:002010-01-18T10:45:13.901-08:00On a differnent AGP subject matter I was wondering...On a differnent AGP subject matter I was wondering if the use of she male porn is common umungst AGP people. As a form of enacting out the fantasy by proxy imagining you are the she male, who is after all in some cases living out the AGP fantasy? Thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com