August 12, 2012

New comment policy

The latest discussions at this blog has shown me that it is becoming hard to distinguish between all the different "Anonymous" that are taking part in the debate.

I know that several of you have asked me to do something about this a long time ago, and I have not listened. Sorry about that! I get it now.

From now on you will need a Google or OpenID identity to comment on Crossdreamers.com. I do not expect you to use your real name. Make your own alternative identity for this purpose.

If you take part in the discussions over at Crossdream Life, it would be helpful if you use the same nick name here.

12 comments:

A. Quiet Voice said...

If, as you say, your really are open to disagreeable ideas, you might like to have a read here...
http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-problem-is.html

A. Quiet Voice said...

If you want facts...

"This website is about Harry Benjamin Syndrome, the clinical manifestation of what was formerly known as True Transsexualism (Type VI on the diagnosis table of Harry Benjamin). It is an extremely rare condition [1:100,000] which is not related to the sexual ambiguity of transsexuals in general as the term "transsexual" is used today.

Today, what was previously known as True Transsexualism is considered by medical research experts in this area as an anomaly of early fetal development, which is both neurological and genetic in origin, and therefore an inborn intersex condition (physiological). This is why, following accepted medical naming conventions in regard to physiologically intersexed states or syndromes, the condition formerly known as intense True Transsexualism (Type VI on the diagnosis table of Harry Benjamin), must be named Harry Benjamin Syndrome.
(Read more about the appropriateness of this terminology). Click here to see the original gender scale from Doctor Harry Benjamin published in 1966 by Julian Press, recently updated by HBS International (2009) according to modern medical research in the field.

We demand the WHO remove Transsexualism from Section F (mental disorders) of the ICD, and Reclassify it as Harry Benjamin Syndrome in Section Q of the ICD -Chapter XVII - Section Q.00-Q.99 : Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities. Specifically we demand inclusion in Section Q.80-Q.8x of the same Chapter, which lists Other congenital malformations. Being the updated diagnostic nomenclature Harry Benjamin Syndrome [Q.80.x].

Since people with Harry Benjamin Syndrome are conventional in their gender identity and expression, like most members of society, these people need a physical rehabilitation of their endocrine system and phenotype in order to function in society as any other average person.

They are not seeking to defy societal norms of gender or sexuality as is the case of transgender and most who call themselves transsexuals today, but only to affirm their sex within themselves.

People with Harry Benjamin Syndrome as a group are naturally opposed to ambiguous groups of sex and/or gender such as transgendered persons and most who call themselves transsexuals. People with Harry Benjamin Syndrome are not a part of a supposed continuum of gender ambiguity these others purport.

Despite the confusion in terminology with the old concept of True Transsexualism, persons with Harry Benjamin Syndrome (which in reality is a type of intersex condition) should not be confused with transgenderism and other ambiguous sexual states in general.

People born with Harry Benjamin Syndrome are persons with a binary gender orientation of either Man or Woman, as any other typical person within society. Their identity is woman or man, never "transsexual". Therefore they need a complete physical rehabilitation in order to function sexually and develop socially as any other individual within our society.

People with Harry Benjamin Syndrome repudiate sexual ambiguity and don't feel identified with sexually ambiguous labels like "transsexual" or "transgender" which neither define nor represent them.

Harry Benjamin Syndrome is NOT an alternative designation for "transsexuality", but is a designation naturally in opposition to the sexually ambiguous phenomenon known as "transsexuality". ("transsexuality" is a generic and political term whilst "Transsexualism" is a medical term)

Harry Benjamin Syndrome is among the most severe medical conditions that have been known in the history of mankind.


http://www.shb-info.org/hbs.html

A. Quiet Voice said...

If you are willing to aknowledge reality read this:

Harry Benjamin Syndrome, the clinical manifestation of what was formerly known as True Transsexualism (Type VI on the diagnosis table of Harry Benjamin). It is an extremely rare condition [1:100,000] which is not related to the sexual ambiguity of transsexuals in general as the term "transsexual" is used today.

Today, what was previously known as True Transsexualism is considered by medical research experts in this area as an anomaly of early fetal development, which is both neurological and genetic in origin, and therefore an inborn intersex condition (physiological). This is why, following accepted medical naming conventions in regard to physiologically intersexed states or syndromes, the condition formerly known as intense True Transsexualism (Type VI on the diagnosis table of Harry Benjamin), must be named Harry Benjamin Syndrome.
(Read more about the appropriateness of this terminology). Click here to see the original gender scale from Doctor Harry Benjamin published in 1966 by Julian Press, recently updated by HBS International (2009) according to modern medical research in the field.

We demand the WHO remove Transsexualism from Section F (mental disorders) of the ICD, and Reclassify it as Harry Benjamin Syndrome in Section Q of the ICD -Chapter XVII - Section Q.00-Q.99 : Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities. Specifically we demand inclusion in Section Q.80-Q.8x of the same Chapter, which lists Other congenital malformations. Being the updated diagnostic nomenclature Harry Benjamin Syndrome [Q.80.x].

Since people with Harry Benjamin Syndrome are conventional in their gender identity and expression, like most members of society, these people need a physical rehabilitation of their endocrine system and phenotype in order to function in society as any other average person.

They are not seeking to defy societal norms of gender or sexuality as is the case of transgender and most who call themselves transsexuals today, but only to affirm their sex within themselves.

People with Harry Benjamin Syndrome as a group are naturally opposed to ambiguous groups of sex and/or gender such as transgendered persons and most who call themselves transsexuals. People with Harry Benjamin Syndrome are not a part of a supposed continuum of gender ambiguity these others purport.

Despite the confusion in terminology with the old concept of True Transsexualism, persons with Harry Benjamin Syndrome (which in reality is a type of intersex condition) should not be confused with transgenderism and other ambiguous sexual states in general.

People born with Harry Benjamin Syndrome are persons with a binary gender orientation of either Man or Woman, as any other typical person within society. Their identity is woman or man, never "transsexual". Therefore they need a complete physical rehabilitation in order to function sexually and develop socially as any other individual within our society.

People with Harry Benjamin Syndrome repudiate sexual ambiguity and don't feel identified with sexually ambiguous labels like "transsexual" or "transgender" which neither define nor represent them.

Harry Benjamin Syndrome is NOT an alternative designation for "transsexuality", but is a designation naturally in opposition to the sexually ambiguous phenomenon known as "transsexuality". ("transsexuality" is a generic and political term whilst "Transsexualism" is a medical term)

Harry Benjamin Syndrome is among the most severe medical conditions that have been known in the history of mankind.

Con'd...

A. Quiet Voice said...

"...Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity and sexual orientation. The Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience. September 2009.
Dick F. Swaab, MD, Ph.D. Alicia Garcia-Falgueras, Ph.D. HBS International 2009.
EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS:

Schlumpf v. Switzerland, Read the full Summary. Court's decision in French in PDF

MEDICAL RESEARCH NEWS:

Genetic Switch for Sexual Differentiation Found. (Download PDF) (Press release) Pearlman et al. The American Journal of Human Genetics. December 2010.

EEG analysis of women with Harry Benjamin Syndrome: Neurological pattern similar to female heterosexual controls. Flor-Henry P. University of Alberta, Canada. Clinic EEG Neuroscience October 2010.

White matter microstructure found in males with Harry Benjamin Syndrome before medical treatment. PubMed 2010. Rametti G, Carrillo B, Gómez-Gil E, Junque C, Segovia S, Gómez A, Guillamon A. (Read more...)

Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Harry Benjamin Syndrome. Lauren Hare, Pascal Bernard, Francisco J. Sánchez, Paul N. Baird, Eric Vilain, Trudy Kennedy, Vicent R. Harley. (Read more...)

Regional gray matter variation in women with HBS. Luders E, Sánchez FJ, Gaser C, Toga AW, Narr KL, Hamilton LS, Vilain E. (Read more...)

Harry Benjamin Syndrome (HBS) has been now scientifically verified to be a genetic medical condition, thus fully Intersex. Clemens Tempfer et al. at the Medical University of Vienna. (Read the Abstract here) (Read more...) (Read more...)

Australian Scientists find a gene linked to Harry Benjamin Syndrome, vulgarly know as "transsexualism".

The research confirmed that Harry Benjamin Syndrome was not a lifestyle decision, as some had suggested, said another team member, Trudy Kennedy, the director of the Monash Gender Dysphoria Clinic in Melbourne, Australia.

"People who come to our clinic describe how they knew they were different at a very early age, just three or four years old. This is something that people are born with." - Dr Trudy Kennedy said. (Read More...)

Jack Molay said...

@A Quiet Voice

I have followed Notes from the T Side for quite a while, and have learned a lot from it. I do not agree with everything Elisabeth says, but she makes some very good arguments.

I have already covered "The Harry Benjamin Syndrome" quite extensively.

It has absolutely no support among professional scientists or therapists. Believe me, I have checked.

I have even documented how Charlotte Goiar of the HBS group has committed document fraud in order to fool people into believing the syndrome has scientific support.

I also find it unethical to use the name of Harry Benjamin for an agenda he would never have supported.

A. Quiet Voice said...

It is easy to understand why those, "professional scientists or therapists", who have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE, or experience other than with "transgenders", (aka crossdressers/gender confused), would not want to diminish their gov't. sponsored cash flow, by agreeing with Dr. Benjamin and admitting that psychotherapy has no appreciable effect on psycho/sexual inversion or even cross gender identification.

The best a therapist can do is support the patience self acceptance of their condition.

Kind of like learning to live with AIDS.

As for the scientific sources referenced by Ms Goiar, they stand, (or fall), on their own merits

Jack Molay said...

It is not that these experts do not believe in the biological basis for the transsexual condition. Most of them do, at least where I come from. They are just not willing to take part in a game where transsexuals are set up against other transgender people.

The same applies to Benjamin, Hirschfeldt, and recently people like, for instance, Anne Vitale and Charles Moser.

This does not mean that they think that transsexual men and women are the same as -- let's say -- the crossdresser who identifies with his or her birth sex.

They simply think that they have so much in common that it makes sense for them to help all people who struggle with sex and gender identity problems.

There are therapists and scientist who believe all transgender people (including transsexuals) are delusional and that everything can be explained by upbringing and social conditions (including traditional Freudian psychotherapist and the behaviorist who made use of electroshocks to "cure" transsexuals). But it seems to me they are rarely associated with the idea that there should be a transgender alliance.

But maybe your problem is not the ones that accept the inborn basis for the transsexual condition, but the transgender activists who argue that everything transgender is socially constructed -- a fetish even. You have met them in the comments of this blog, too.

Maybe you think that everyone who think that a transgender alliance is useful belong to this camp. But this is not the case, neither among the transgender people themselves nor among the researchers and therapists.

In fact, most of them seem to accept that being transsexual is an inborn condition and not the result of conditioning or upbringing.

A. Quiet Voice said...

Actually Jack, it seems that most of your assumptions about me are wrong.

I am well aware, as was Dr. Benjamin and most other ethical scientists and researchers, that there exists a wide spectrum of variance among the gender nonconforming population that these researchers most often encounter.

They are also well aware of that distinct, much smaller population of "true/classic", or Type V/VI transexxuals.

Those scientists that are not totally enthralled by the WPATH/transgender meme, understand that acknowledging and recognizing that distinction is crucial to the appropriate, compassionate and reasonable treatment of those different conditions.

Surely any thinking, rational individual can recognize the political and financial pressure applied to these researchers and scientists to conform to the "equality" or "social justice" agenda, that "we are all the same" and entititled to the same "rights".

It is this agenda of conformity to one and only one philosophy of thought that ends up with men in dresses, with penises "identifying" as women demanding access to those areas reserved for the privacy and protection of women.

Crossdressing/crossdreaming is just that: a propensity in some men to be aroused by their image as a woman. Blanchard/Bailey and Lawrence, (and to some degree, Zucker), all subscribe and advocate for that theory.

What you need to understand and acknowledge is that this theory has nothing to do with transsexualism, which is a totally distinct condition and stop blending an conflating the two.

Jack Molay said...

"Crossdressing/crossdreaming is just that: a propensity in some men to be aroused by their image as a woman. Blanchard/Bailey and Lawrence, (and to some degree, Zucker), all subscribe and advocate for that theory."

Yes, they do, which -- I guess -- proves that it is not impossible to stand up against WPATH.

That being said, I am surprised to see you use Blanchard & Co to stigmatize crossdressers and crossdreamers.

According to them all gynephilic transsexual women are autogynephiliacs, and all androphilic transsexual women are effeminate gay men who want to have sex with straight men. This means that they consider you a man.

I do not.

A. Quiet Voice said...

Oh give it break, Jack. I am not using the clueless opinion of 2 gay men BLZB and an AGP/TG to disparage crossdressers, be they AGP or simple fetishists.

I hold their gay biased opinion in even lower esteem than I hold yours.

My main arguement with you is that like the militant TG who suffer from a vitimization complex, you choose engage in verbal fencing in support/defense of your own damaged ego, rather than clearly explain your position and then offer SIMPLE concise arguments in support

Lindsay said...

I think it's important to start straightening out some of AQV's misinformation and misdirections. I think most readers are intelligent enough to have already picked this up. Here are 2 quotes from this thread:

AQV said

"Oh give it break, Jack. I am not using the clueless opinion of 2 gay men BLZB and an AGP/TG to disparage crossdressers, be they AGP or simple fetishists.

I hold their gay biased opinion in even lower esteem than I hold yours."

But just above it she says:

"Crossdressing/crossdreaming is just that: a propensity in some men to be aroused by their image as a woman. Blanchard/Bailey and Lawrence, (and to some degree, Zucker), all subscribe and advocate for that theory."

The BLZB in the first quote is the same Blanchard, Bailey, Lawrence and Zucker in the second one. I leave it to the readers to draw their own conclusions.

A. Quiet Voice said...

Ah Lindsay. You do have a keen sense for the obvious. Too bad you are so blinded by your own biases that you fail to see the forest for all the trees.

"Crossdressing/crossdreaming is just that: a propensity in some men to be aroused by their image as a woman."

Isn't that how you, Jack and friends would describe it?

"Blanchard/Bailey and Lawrence, (and to some degree, Zucker), all subscribe and advocate for that theory."

Yupp. I agree with Jack here,

"I am not using the clueless opinion of 2 gay men BLZB and an AGP/TG to disparage crossdressers, be they AGP or simple fetishists."

"I hold their gay biased opinion in even lower esteem than I hold yours."

Again...Yupp

This means that while BLZB's theory MIGHT serve as a good construct for men with AGP, I think that most of what they have to say about transsexualism, (A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC), is totally BOGUS. (IE unsupported gobblygook)

But you know that already, don't you?

What am I missing here? BLZB come up with their AGP theory as regards to men with a propensity to be aroused by their image as a woman.

I do not subscribe to that theory nor do I use it to try to explain or disparage CD's or their behavior just because they do and sometimes you do and sometimes you don't.

You and Jack and friends seem to be doing a bang up job of that all by yourselves.

My only and constant objection is your seemingly obsessive inclusion of women who have nothing to do with, "Crossdreaming, Autogynephilia, or men dreaming about having a female body".

That is not 'hate speech' or disparagement. It is a simple objection.

But thank you for your efforts to try to straighten me out. Have you got any good stock tips to go with your compassionate counseling?

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